Mod that stops vassal from giving up unlawful territory?

[armzngunz]

Are there any mods that prohibits the AI vassal from giving up unlawful HRE territory whenever the emperor demands it?
It is super annoying fighitng a big war and giving some land to my vassal only for the vassal to give up the land behind my back.

[Tulduil Iphukiir]

I don't know if there is a mod for it.

The usual workaround uses that the Emperor cannot demand provinces back from nations that are at war. (In addition, an AI Emperor also (normally) does not demand provinces back when he is at war)
So just start a new easy "distraction war" before peacing out of your "real war". Give provinces to your vassals in the "real war" peace treaty and let them core them. Peace out in the "distraction war" for whatever you want.

[bri]

I'm pretty sure that behavior can't be modded. However if you aren't playing ironman then you can just use console commands to fix it anyway...

[Tohtori Leka]

Originally posted by Tulduil Iphukiir:

I don't know if there is a mod for it.

The usual workaround uses that the Emperor cannot demand provinces back from nations that are at war. (In addition, an AI Emperor also (normally) does not demand provinces back when he is at war)
So just start a new easy "distraction war" before peacing out of your "real war". Give provinces to your vassals in the "real war" peace treaty and let them core them. Peace out in the "distraction war" for whatever you want.

I usually only give vassals land from allies of the main target since you can make peace with them while the main war still continues. Sometimes I even start wars with countries that have the main target as an ally so I can core the provinces before making peace and I don't get the penalties for unlawful territory.

[armzngunz]

Well that sucks, I really don't get why this hasn't been patched ages ago tbh.

[brian_va]

Originally posted by armzngunz:

Well that sucks, I really don't get why this hasn't been patched ages ago tbh.

because its working as intended and not broken?

[tonypa]

Originally posted by armzngunz:

Well that sucks, I really don't get why this hasn't been patched ages ago tbh.

You do not "own" vassal land, your vassal owns it. And they want to have good relations with Emperor.

There are multiple ways around it:
-don't give HRE land to vassal
-don't have vassal

[armzngunz]

Originally posted by tonypa:

Originally posted by armzngunz:

Well that sucks, I really don't get why this hasn't been patched ages ago tbh.

You do not "own" vassal land, your vassal owns it. And they want to have good relations with Emperor.

There are multiple ways around it:
-don't give HRE land to vassal
-don't have vassal

Originally posted by brian_va:

Originally posted by armzngunz:

Well that sucks, I really don't get why this hasn't been patched ages ago tbh.

because its working as intended and not broken?

Vassals are completely barred from diplomatic relations with others unless they have high liberty desire, and even then, it's only allowed to make alliances with other vassals. They make no diplomatic decisions themselves towards other countries, so I assume this is an oversight by the devs, as it contradicts the other limitations the vassals have.

[Bird the III]

Originally posted by brian_va:

Vassals are completely barred from diplomatic relations with others unless they have high liberty desire, and even then, it's only allowed to make alliances with other vassals. They make no diplomatic decisions themselves towards other countries, so I assume this is an oversight by the devs, as it contradicts the other limitations the vassals have.

if that was the case why would vassals improve and seek help for independence wars.

as a vassal elector give their 2 cents

sent ocassionally insults or gifts

improve with the pope and if papal controller call crusades?

they also grant fleet baseing rights and acess if they like you (as a foreign vassal)

[armzngunz]

Originally posted by Bird the III:

Originally posted by brian_va:

Vassals are completely barred from diplomatic relations with others unless they have high liberty desire, and even then, it's only allowed to make alliances with other vassals. They make no diplomatic decisions themselves towards other countries, so I assume this is an oversight by the devs, as it contradicts the other limitations the vassals have.

if that was the case why would vassals improve and seek help for independence wars.

as a vassal elector give their 2 cents

sent ocassionally insults or gifts

improve with the pope and if papal controller call crusades?

I don't have the DLC that let's vassals have support for independence, never heard of vassals sending gifts or insults either

[Bird the III]

well thats another dlc but vassals have diplomatic abilities whih you claim they didn't other stuff would be they desire land (again dlc stuff)
can fabricate claims
annoy you cause they want to be a march or royal marry you
can knowledge share with overlord

and probabbly some more stuff i ust dont think of right now

[armzngunz]

Originally posted by Bird the III:

well thats another dlc but vassals have diplomatic abilities whih you claim they didn't other stuff would be they desire land (again dlc stuff)
can fabricate claims
annoy you cause they want to be a march or royal marry you
can knowledge share with overlord

and probabbly some more stuff i ust dont think of right now

last 2 are only things they can do with their overlord, they can't ask other countries for royal marriages though

[Tasty Bunny]

Vassal also can grant military access to third party. (NOT conditional) Vassal's territory is held by Vassal, not you. And since game treat HRE vassal slightly differently than regular vassal(ex: HRE annex relation malus), I'm 91.75% sure that vassal returning land to HRE is intended feature. It's not like they do it always. If they hate emperor, they don't give a sh*t

[Mr.M]

Originally posted by bri:

I'm pretty sure that behavior can't be modded. However if you aren't playing ironman then you can just use console commands to fix it anyway...

Why not? Should be pretty easy.

Just add a modifier to the AIs consideration whether they want to give a province back or not when Emperor asks that gives -1000 when being a vassal.

Tada...

[bri]

It's called anti-abuse. If you were able to just give your vassal all the illegal land and let them take the hit for it you could romp through the HRE. After all, vassals can't be the target of a coalition...

[armzngunz]

Originally posted by bri:

It's called anti-abuse. If you were able to just give your vassal all the illegal land and let them take the hit for it you could romp through the HRE. After all, vassals can't be the target of a coalition...

Could easily be nerfed by having the demand unlawful territory go directly to the overlord, circumventing the vassal, so the overlord takes all the blame

Originally posted by Tasty Bunny:

Vassal also can grant military access to third party. (NOT conditional) Vassal's territory is held by Vassal, not you. And since game treat HRE vassal slightly differently than regular vassal(ex: HRE annex relation malus), I'm 91.75% sure that vassal returning land to HRE is intended feature. It's not like they do it always. If they hate emperor, they don't give a sh*t

Another thing which I despise about the vassals aswell, they can ask for military access, which also gives conditional military access to my enemies (i also dislike conditional military access)
I just wish the vassal AI couldn't do stuff behind my back without my influence at all