At what point does the Ottoman army become weaker?

[Gerfreckle]

I'm playing as Austria and it's 1490. Got PUs over Bohemia and Hungary, as well as got the entire Burgundian Succession, so I'm very powerful but even then I'm not confident in defeating the Ottomans. I managed to get a white-peace with them *barely* when I got the PU over Hungary while they were at war with the Ottomans, but that was extremely close and I lucked out. I've read before that it's around 1600 that the Ottomans lose their advantage? Is that true?

[kaiyl_kariashi]

it's around tech 14 or so that their Tech group falls to equal to with Western. Western than gradually pulls ahead over the next 10 or so tech levels.

Though you can beat them immediately with correct tactics, all they get is a free +1 on dice-rolls basically due to unit type, so any tactics that minimize/ignore dice influence can crush them fairly easily.

[Tiny Tyrant]

If Im reading the chart correctly, Anatolian and Western infantry are equal at mil tech 15 and at mil tech 19 Western Infantry is superior. For cavalry, Western is superior starting at tech 18.

[Gerfreckle]

Originally posted by kaiyl_kariashi:

it's around tech 14 or so that their Tech group falls to equal to with Western. Western than gradually pulls ahead over the next 10 or so tech levels.

Though you can beat them immediately with correct tactics, all they get is a free +1 on dice-rolls basically due to unit type, so any tactics that minimize/ignore dice influence can crush them fairly easily.

I save-scummed and experimented with how I would do with an invasion of the Ottoman Empire, and it was disastrous. I had 48,000 troops, as well another 15,000 from Hungary and 12,000 from Bohemia, but they rushed a 32,000 stack at me, and even with my two armies combined they defeated my almost instantly, it wasn't even close. This was in about 1495, and they were also at war with Poland-Lithuania, Saxony and France, and managed to crush all of us. I'm just gonna leave them alone for a while. Definitely too difficult to beat at the moment.

[Gerfreckle]

Originally posted by Tiny Tyrant:

If Im reading the chart correctly, Anatolian and Western infantry are equal at mil tech 15 and at mil tech 19 Western Infantry is superior. For cavalry, Western is superior starting at tech 18.

Thanks.

[tonypa]

Ottos start with great generals and ruler. The first easy wars against smaller nations around them will boost their Military Tradition, Power Projection and Prestige - all of these will make their armies better. If they also have advanced with military idea group and get good advisor, they end up really strong.

I would say after 1600 they usually start to lose some momentum, hopefully they have not blobbed too big by that time.

[Raxo]

in the end lol

[Mr.M]

I usually start crushing them around 1600 - depends on who you play tho.

Last game as Austria i started deleting them in 1560, cant remember if i already revoked tho. You should rather focus on Poland and Russia early on