How quickly can a diamyo Shimazu unite Japan?

[pmpdadypenguinmn]

Assuming best case scenario and the player in question has thousands of hours in eu4 and is considered a veteran. Around what year can I expect said player to take over the Japanese mainland.

I'm asking because in a few days I'm starting a multiplayer session and I'd like to know at what point Japan could become a threat as I'm playing in Asia myself

[Omniconda]

super best case. id say about 20 years but it would really mess up your economy and AE that it would take time to recover and could go wrong with a few bad rolls.
30 years for stable and profitable.
Assumin your opponent goes for a unite Japan and not a vassal swarm

[Bird the III]

i already posted this in 2017 but im sure it still works
step 1 ally as many daymo as possible
https://steamcommunity.com/sharedfiles/filedetails/?id=858980911
raise an army and make sure you will be first to the capital
https://steamcommunity.com/sharedfiles/filedetails/?id=858980927
hail the new emperor
https://steamcommunity.com/sharedfiles/filedetails/?id=858980946

after that you are the new emperor and have all the vassals depending on your playstile you could go vassal swarm or unite Japan at your pace

[pmpdadypenguinmn]

Well both of those scenarios are troubling. Assuming he unites Japan, how many troops can he reasonably yield? Without running a deficit or going way over force limit of course.

[Bird the III]

there are 28 vassals at gamestart who field at least 2 units and ashikaga can field 16 from start. so id guess about 75-80 forcelimi which is a lot at gamestart specially if you dont have to pay for most and can use theire manpower pool. Just chain wars so the vassal dont get stupid ideas and after you get some land yourself you can even finally feed them some.

[pmpdadypenguinmn]

Originally posted by Bird the III:

there are 28 vassals at gamestart who field at least 2 units and ashikaga can field 16 from start. so id guess about 75-80 forcelimi which is a lot at gamestart specially if you dont have to pay for most and can use theire manpower pool. Just chain wars so the vassal dont get stupid ideas and after you get some land yourself you can even finally feed them some.

I did a Japan vassal swarm once starting as Oda. They never took their troops off the main island and help out. Has that been fixed? I did that on 1.28.2

[Bird the III]

last time i played there some did specially the once you feed land of the mainland ( if they were opms they even move theire capitals if they get enough land)

newly made vassals (i like to convert them before release) at least i saw helping out

and i wouldn*t be surprised if bigger starting vassals with a big enough transport fleet and at least 5 forcelimit come to help if its close

as long as they are small they will be carpet siegers at best dont count on them like an hre vassal swarm who stack up and siege stuff / fight for you

[Remosu37]

I think the fastest I formed Japan was as Uesugi in about 30 years, although a better player could probably do it faster.

Japan's an interesting country to play, I had a playthrough where my goal was continental expansion. I used exploration to slowly colonized some territories in the Phillipines, hoping as far south as Indoneisa, and also expanding from Alaska southward into California, all while biding my time until I took advantage of internal chaos within the Ming during the early 1600s, supported some independence movements, and eventually crushing Ming army in open battle, so the various rebellions went totally out of control. The Ming eventually fractured into like 9 or 10 different countries, allowing me to divide and conquer.

I felt like I did pretty well, bringing the entire mainland coastline under my control by the 1700s, from Korea in the North down to around the Chinese/Vietnamese border, while Shu, Chu, Changsheng and Tang continued to duke it out in the mainland. I was advancing inland, aiming to bring the entire Beijing trade region under my thumb when the British (who were busy colonizing other parts of the Pacific isles) suddenly declared war on me.

Waaaaay behind in military tech, even though I could bring vastly larger navies and armies to bear, the British smacked me around, eventually taking Hokkaido and some other key territories. I managed to secure an alliance with the United States, but they couldn't do jack squat as the French, Spanish and British colonizers smelled blood in the water and began circling my carcass, before my empire began falling apart.

France took California and eventually Alaska, while the British began taking my Pacific island territories, and the Spanish began aiming at my Chinese territory. I ended the playthrough around 1780, with what remained of my Japanese territory, about 40% of China, Korea, the Phillipines, Taiwan, Borneo and about half of Indoneisa stil under my control.

If I played through to 1820, I probably would have continued to bleed territory to the western powers--not sure what the best way is to get into earlier contact to not fall so behind in tech, as I was so late in getting into the Renaissance and such.

[bri]

If you really know what you're doing you can do it pretty quickly. Quick conquest of provinces to get you to 9 provinces, start wars so that you can conquer the rest of the daimyos (but don't finish any of them until you're ready to finish all of them), conquer them all so you're the only one left, declare on and conquer Ashikaga...