Why is this the most expensive Paradox game?

[PyroSaphuron]

I'm trying to love this game, but I still don't have all the good DLC and it has already cost me over $100. The pricing on this game is absolutely ridiculous. What were they thinking?

Basically, anyone wanting to play Paradox's entire library has to be individually very wealthy to do so.

[Dizzydeath1337]

You don't need to be wealthy, you just need to be patient. Wait for sales, look for them on Paradox's site and others like the Humble Bundle and Green Man Gaming. Most importantly: Take your time, you don't need to buy all of the DLC at once, buy one you're interested in every month for example.

[PyroSaphuron]

Dizzydeath1337님이 먼저 게시:

You don't need to be wealthy, you just need to be patient. Wait for sales, look for them on Paradox's site and others like the Humble Bundle and Green Man Gaming. Most importantly: Take your time, you don't need to buy all of the DLC at once, buy one you're interested in every month for example.

Would be fine if I didn't have other full games I wanted, many of which cost the same or less than the DLC for this game. Also, Green Man Gaming is a scam, I tried to use them before and got screwed over because they give you instructions that sound reasonable until you get several steps on and they demand you pay money for something. No more of that scam site, sorry. I've owned the main games for years, but as I'm on disability, I often have little to no money for this DLC after I get actual games for the same or less.

I fail to see the justification in these prices. Especially given they're higher than the rest of the Paradox games (which often have DLC at the 10-15 range, while EU4 is all at 20). In the current tanking American economy where prices are going up and money is not, these prices are outrageous.

[brian_va]

if you want to buy 6 years worth of dlc, all at once, right now, its going to cost a bundle.

as for what they were thinking, they wanted to pay their bills and make some profit to make it worth their time; its not a charity. if you think its a poor policy, maybe consider alternative sources of entertainment.

[PyroSaphuron]

brian_va님이 먼저 게시:

if you want to buy 6 years worth of dlc, all at once, right now, its going to cost a bundle.

as for what they were thinking, they wanted to pay their bills and make some profit to make it worth their time; its not a charity. if you think its a poor policy, maybe consider alternative sources of entertainment.

I fail to see the justification in these prices. Especially given they're higher than the rest of the Paradox games (which often have DLC at the 10-15 range, while EU4 is all at 20). In the current tanking American economy where prices are going up and money is not, these prices are outrageous.

I got the game several years ago, and still don't have even half. I have all four major Paradox titles (CK2, EU4, HOI4, and Stellaris). Funding all four of them AND other full actual games (many of which are better games and cost less than the DLC for this one) requires a massive bank account.

I hate when defenders of capitalism act like companies are barely paying their bills in order to justify crazy prices.

[brian_va]

perhaps focus on the other, better games that cost less than the dlc for this one.

if the first post wasn't clear enough, you are foolish for paying full price, unless you really, really, really want that dlc.

and the economy is sufficiently strong to support dlc buying. i've done it, others have as well. prioritize what you want and hustle some bucks to get the rest if needed.

[Angry Turnip]

GreenCatGurl님이 먼저 게시:

brian_va님이 먼저 게시:

if you want to buy 6 years worth of dlc, all at once, right now, its going to cost a bundle.

as for what they were thinking, they wanted to pay their bills and make some profit to make it worth their time; its not a charity. if you think its a poor policy, maybe consider alternative sources of entertainment.

I fail to see the justification in these prices. Especially given they're higher than the rest of the Paradox games (which often have DLC at the 10-15 range, while EU4 is all at 20). In the current tanking American economy where prices are going up and money is not, these prices are outrageous.

I got the game several years ago, and still don't have even half. I have all four major Paradox titles (CK2, EU4, HOI4, and Stellaris). Funding all four of them AND other full actual games (many of which are better games and cost less than the DLC for this one) requires a massive bank account.

I hate when defenders of capitalism act like companies are barely paying their bills in order to justify crazy prices.

I've played this game since it's release in 2013.

These people, if they aren't paid shills, will defend it to their last breath. Paradox can do no wrong in their eyes.

[brian_va]

GreenCatGurl님이 먼저 게시:

I hate when defenders of capitalism act like companies are barely paying their bills in order to justify crazy prices.

i said make a profit as well. i've researched their financials a bit, they do make good profits, but nothing obscene.

[PyroSaphuron]

brian_va님이 먼저 게시:

and the economy is sufficiently strong to support dlc buying. i've done it, others have as well. prioritize what you want and hustle some bucks to get the rest if needed.

If Paradox games were the ONLY thing I was interested in, sure. I can't hustle money for this game cuz none of my friends are willing to play this particular title from Paradox (primarily for this very reason). There are full actual games that cost less than DLC for this one. That and the DLC for EU4 is more expensive than the DLC for the other Paradox games. Stop defending this insanity. This sheer amount of DLC and the pricing is the problem, not the mere existence of DLC. This one, of all their games, seems to be the one they price gouge and screw with.

[DankDansk]

brian_va님이 먼저 게시:

GreenCatGurl님이 먼저 게시:

I hate when defenders of capitalism act like companies are barely paying their bills in order to justify crazy prices.

i said make a profit as well. i've researched their financials a bit, they do make good profits, but nothing obscene.

He isn't far off. A lot of people break down when PDX isn't worshipped.

I know you aren't one of them, Brian, but the prices are a bit outrageous for the content.

My secret is I don't buy them unless 75% off.

Even then, PDX has a lot of scummy blotches on their track record (especially with Stellaris), and I don't want to support them. I prefer to support honest, up-front aimdie devs who make great games without using DLC to 'fund further development' when in reality they make enough off of sales to do that twice over.

So don't buy their content and give them something to cry about, since they 'can't pay their bills'. Let them starve.

[corisai]

mccartneyconnor280님이 먼저 게시:

honest, up-front aimdie devs who make great games without using DLC to 'fund further development' when in reality they make enough off of sales to do that twice over

Unicorns are existing somewhere too, yean?

What you're describing simply impossible with cancerous agile "standart" of software development.

And DLC at least more honest than endless Early Access.

[Dizzydeath1337]

GreenCatGurl님이 먼저 게시:

brian_va님이 먼저 게시:

and the economy is sufficiently strong to support dlc buying. i've done it, others have as well. prioritize what you want and hustle some bucks to get the rest if needed.

If Paradox games were the ONLY thing I was interested in, sure. I can't hustle money for this game cuz none of my friends are willing to play this particular title from Paradox (primarily for this very reason). There are full actual games that cost less than DLC for this one. That and the DLC for EU4 is more expensive than the DLC for the other Paradox games. Stop defending this insanity. This sheer amount of DLC and the pricing is the problem, not the mere existence of DLC. This one, of all their games, seems to be the one they price gouge and screw with.

Whether the price is too high or not is Paradox's problem, not your's, and despite the "ludicrous" price for DLCs, their profits are just fine. It seems like you just want them to lower the price so you can buy it.
You are achieving nothing here by complaining that you aren't willing to buy the DLC.

[ZamboTeam67]

If you don't want to spend money on the DLCs then you shouldn't of bought any paradox games. Its how they make there money and this won't change anytime soon.

[Malvastor]

Kinda sounds like you're complaining because you can't buy all the Paradox DLC and all the other games you like. Just means you'll have to budget and not buy everything you want.

[DankDansk]

corisai님이 먼저 게시:

mccartneyconnor280님이 먼저 게시:

honest, up-front aimdie devs who make great games without using DLC to 'fund further development' when in reality they make enough off of sales to do that twice over

Unicorns are existing somewhere too, yean?

What you're describing simply impossible with cancerous agile "standart" of software development.

And DLC at least more honest than endless Early Access.

And here is the diehard PDX fan he was mentioning.

First off, it's not impossible. It's been done. Just look at every game developer who have made games twice as detailed as Eu4, with no DLC, and half the price.

And I never supported early access, but it's better than the PDX system because with PDX games, anyone who isn't familiar with PDX won't know that they gut and tear apart their games about once a year, and within a year they might have a product that will be vastly different with what they started with. Not only is that frustrating, but it's also blatantly false advertising.

At least free access tells you that the game has problems, is still in Dev, and specifically mentions that their game will change. PDX takes advantage of the refund policy on steam to basically do whatever the hell they want without loosing a paid playerbase.

Early access does have problems, but it is much more honest than PDX, and that's why I don't buy from them anymore. It just isn't worth it to me.

[Swirler]

Yeah, it's one of those "sales only" type of games.

That said, if you're a fan of history and this genre of game it can provide a lot of hours of zen like entertainment.

I was torn for a long time over just which DLC's I would try out even on sale. It was pretty good to see the free week for some of the DLC, and the free weekend not long ago help smooth over any game loading or performance issues someone might be worried about.
I do hope they keep doing those events.

As far as i'm concerned the DLC's are mainly paying for the continued game development. The DLC's themselves are usually oriented toward a specific area of the world. To varying degrees of success judged by the community. With a couple considered nearly mandatory, you can probably see those discussions around online.
it helps to rule out which ones you just aren't likely going to touch, so the smaller more focused ones like
Golden century, rule brittania, el dorado and res publica are all very niche DLCs that you can safely ignore if you're on a tight budget.

So yeah I get the whole problem with buying DLC and wouldn't get these at full price but there are also downsides to not getting any DLC at all with a game. Usually games that don't plan to have DLC's for the future tend to die out, dev work on bug fixes and content ceases and the game just falls into the void.
And along with that the community dies out as players get bored. The easiest way to lose interest in a game is to lose the community. (an angry community is also another way to lose a game community but at least that provides entertainment sometimes).
If it wasn't for the players submitting those wacky screenshots of interesting events and discussing which idea policies are best for certain nations I wouldn't have been as interested.
Just visit the discussion page on some of the older well revered titles in steam. It's sad seeing communities die out.
I sometimes visit the older titles I have and see the 1-2 comments per week on them and just feel sad. I remember them when they were full of content and life.
And while there is always some kind of drama going on with strategy games and DLC at least there's interest in the game you know?

And from reading some of the OP's comments, yeah limited income is going to be painful with a game like this.
But if it's too late for a refund you might as well get your money's worth. Sunk cost fallacy and all that.