Pretender Rebels

[Cybot]

Playing as Muscovy, some pretender rebels arrised.
They claimant is a 6/6/6 of Novgorodian heritage, following Orthodox faith. He has a strong (95) claim. If they win, he will become my ruler.

Now i'd like him to become my ruler, since he is great. Also his Novgorodian heritage shouldn't be a big deal? Since I have Novgorodian as accepted culture.

Will it be game over if he wins? And how do I accept their demands?

[Tasty Bunny]

Not game over obviously. Let them just siege down your capital.

[veryhungryperson]

You can't accept Pretender rebel demands, for obvious reasons. That being said you can get out of their way as they make their way to enforce their claim.

In order for them to be successful they will need to control your capital for 36 months. Be careful not to have any other active rebels as if one rebel faction enforces their demands others can do so too if your country breaks.

[bri]

Originally posted by veryhungryperson:

You can't accept Pretender rebel demands, for obvious reasons. That being said you can get out of their way as they make their way to enforce their claim.

In order for them to be successful they will need to control your capital for 36 months. Be careful not to have any other active rebels as if one rebel faction enforces their demands others can do so too if your country breaks.

This is the quite dangerous aspect. Unless it's very early in the game you're liable to do more harm than good in allowing the pretenders to run wild and break you. Bye bye Novgorod, bye bye Kazan, bye bye Horde lands, see ya Smolensk and other former Lithuanian holdings, and so on. It just takes a single province with positive unrest to cost you large tracts of lands.

[Tulduil Iphukiir]

I think there are events that can happen if your ruler's/heir's/consort's culture differs from your primary culture.

[tonypa]

Originally posted by Tulduil Iphukiir:

I think there are events that can happen if your ruler's/heir's/consort's culture differs from your primary culture.

Yes, and these are bad events.

[Cybot]

Originally posted by bri:

Originally posted by veryhungryperson:

You can't accept Pretender rebel demands, for obvious reasons. That being said you can get out of their way as they make their way to enforce their claim.

In order for them to be successful they will need to control your capital for 36 months. Be careful not to have any other active rebels as if one rebel faction enforces their demands others can do so too if your country breaks.

This is the quite dangerous aspect. Unless it's very early in the game you're liable to do more harm than good in allowing the pretenders to run wild and break you. Bye bye Novgorod, bye bye Kazan, bye bye Horde lands, see ya Smolensk and other former Lithuanian holdings, and so on. It just takes a single province with positive unrest to cost you large tracts of lands.

How do I lose these lands, just because I have 1 pretender rebellion happening?

[bri]

Originally posted by Cybot:

Originally posted by bri:

This is the quite dangerous aspect. Unless it's very early in the game you're liable to do more harm than good in allowing the pretenders to run wild and break you. Bye bye Novgorod, bye bye Kazan, bye bye Horde lands, see ya Smolensk and other former Lithuanian holdings, and so on. It just takes a single province with positive unrest to cost you large tracts of lands.

How do I lose these lands, just because I have 1 pretender rebellion happening?

When your nation breaks to a rebellion every single existing rebellious group fully enforces their demands. So your Novgorodian, etc. separatists will enforce their demands, your sunni rebels, your noble rebels, etc. until every group showing in the rebel section of the administration screen has done so. It doesn't matter if they have actually had a revolt and exist on the map or not, if they have the potential to generate a revolt their demands will be enforced if you collapse to the pretenders which is the only way for you to get the pretender as your monarch.

[Cybot]

Originally posted by bri:

Originally posted by Cybot:

How do I lose these lands, just because I have 1 pretender rebellion happening?

When your nation breaks to a rebellion every single existing rebellious group fully enforces their demands. So your Novgorodian, etc. separatists will enforce their demands, your sunni rebels, your noble rebels, etc. until every group showing in the rebel section of the administration screen has done so. It doesn't matter if they have actually had a revolt and exist on the map or not, if they have the potential to generate a revolt their demands will be enforced if you collapse to the pretenders which is the only way for you to get the pretender as your monarch.

I see, thanks :)
Right now I think I only have Suomi pretenders, so incase I let the pretender rebels win. I would lose the Suomi province? Which is the one up north next to Finland. Which is something I can deal with.

[veryhungryperson]

Originally posted by Cybot:

Originally posted by bri:

Right now I think I only have Suomi pretenders, so incase I let the pretender rebels win. I would lose the Suomi province? Which is the one up north next to Finland. Which is something I can deal with.

One rebel faction can enforce their demands without breaking your country. Keep an eye on the bar above the rebel progress area to note any progress made towards breaking your nation. Just be sure to take back any forts and land that are not vital for the rebels you want to succeed. In the case of pretenders you want them to control your capital and almost nothing else.