How to cause Mingplosion?

[blagic23]

I am Malacca, I am expanding, and I have around 500 dev. I am still a tributary and ming wants me to pay 12 mana from any category he chooses. I can still grant him those in exchange of protection from coalitions but soon it will be hard for me to pay around 20 mana every year. I want to cause him to explode, and then take over china, or the mandate if I can ( i do not know much about mandate mechanics). Sooo, how can i cause ming to explode, or should i perhaps just refuse paying him, would he declare war?

[Yaldabaoth]

If you are Sunni, you can't get the mandate anyway. Ming won't attack you either way unless you foolishly try to colonize Taiwan. Causing Mingsplosion with MoH is almost impossible unless you are already crushing their armies. The next patch will be focussed on this and make it easier.

[Stayin Alive]

on the bright side, it caps at 12 so. just grow large enough (like 1 K dev of continous connected land) and boarder and then stop paying tribute. Get good allies and wait for mandate to drop

[Amtep]

I think as Malacca the best way is to get naval superiority and declare a trade conflict war. I forget the exact CB, it's the one that gives warscore by blockading ports. Get a 25% peace deal for money; repeat as needed. Ming will soon be bankrupt and covered with rebels.

Ming will be able to reach your capital by land, but fortunately you have some good terrain for playing defensively there. If you can't hold them off, you may have to move your capital to an island first. Ming's troops will be weakest when they've just passed a reform. (You can tell when Mandate suddenly drops to ~20)

Also remember that most of Ming's shores count as "inland sea" for galleys, so they get a bonus.

[blagic23]

it caps at 12, this is great! I should keep expanding and colonizing for around 100 years, I should have a navy that nobody can rival. then i'll get some good defensive terrain in thailand. I'll build forts there and get defensinevess as high as i can. I will let Ming siege his way to my home peninsula, but during he does that, i'll blockade the entire china!
It'll take some time though, looks like i have to pay the tribute for a century or so. I am not strong enough to manage a gigantic coalition. expanding under ming's protection is so relieving, i'll give him that.

[PeGa]

Originally posted by Walder Frey:

I am not strong enough to manage a gigantic coalition. expanding under ming's protection is so relieving, i'll give him that.

Ming will protect you only if the attacking country of the coalition is not his tributary, if the coalition members are tributaries should as soon as possible to get rid of them

[blagic23]

Originally posted by NeKappa:

Originally posted by Walder Frey:

I am not strong enough to manage a gigantic coalition. expanding under ming's protection is so relieving, i'll give him that.

Ming will protect you only if the attacking country of the coalition is not his tributary, if the coalition members are tributaries should as soon as possible to get rid of them

Yes, but attacking country has to be his tributary right? If a coalition is declared by a country not under tributary system, ming will protect me, even if one of the coalition members is a tributary?

[tonypa]

Originally posted by Walder Frey:

Yes, but attacking country has to be his tributary right? If a coalition is declared by a country not under tributary system, ming will protect me, even if one of the coalition members is a tributary?

Yes.

[blagic23]

Originally posted by tonypa:

Originally posted by Walder Frey:

Yes, but attacking country has to be his tributary right? If a coalition is declared by a country not under tributary system, ming will protect me, even if one of the coalition members is a tributary?

Yes.

Nice