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M82 2019 年 9 月 19 日 下午 1:43
What DLCs should I buy to play EU IV
I'm not gonna hide it, I don't really wanna play this game without being able to enjoy it to its full extent I know that DLCs are cheap compared to the amount of hours you'll play the game, except that I'm broke, like most people my age, and even 20€ is a considerable amount of money. Thus, I want to know which DLCs are needed to really best enjoy the game.
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SirTalkALot 2019 年 9 月 19 日 下午 6:20 
Art of War, common sense, and rights of man are considered the three must haves no matter who you play as.
vincentl 2019 年 9 月 19 日 下午 8:28 
Many of them are pretty specific. For example, Res Ruplica focuses on republic governements like Novgorod, Venice, Genoa, the Netherlands. Buy it only if you like merchant republic. Third Rome for Russia, mandate of Heaven for China... There is a pretty nice review here : https://www.strategygamer.com/articles/europa-universalis-iv-dlc-buying-guide/
tonypa 2019 年 9 月 19 日 下午 10:13 
引用自 Merther
I'm not gonna hide it, I don't really wanna play this game without being able to enjoy it to its full extent

Base game is fully playable and even adding all the DLCs will not change much.

2 of the major features from DLCs were added to the base game for free in late 2018 (manual development and transfer occupation) so now you can actually enjoy base game without buying anything extra.

It does not mean every DLC is totally useless. Some of them are just designed for specific country/region (China, Russia, England) and do not add much to the rest of the world. If you really want to buy some generally useful DLC for most nations, I recommend Art of War, Rights of Man and El Dorado.
最後修改者:tonypa; 2019 年 9 月 19 日 下午 10:13
M82 2019 年 9 月 20 日 上午 7:36 
Is there a way to play the game without the paradox launcher ? It looks like sh*t.
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PJ 2019 年 9 月 20 日 上午 8:54 
Art of War
Common Sense
Right of Man
tonypa 2019 年 9 月 20 日 上午 8:57 
引用自 Merther
Is there a way to play the game without the paradox launcher ? It looks like sh*t.
Revert back to 1.28.3
StayCranked 2019 年 9 月 20 日 上午 8:57 
引用自 Merther
Is there a way to play the game without the paradox launcher ? It looks like sh*t.
get your priorities on order
ChaffyExpert 2019 年 9 月 20 日 上午 11:20 
引用自 mccartneyconnor280
引用自 Merther
I'm not gonna hide it, I don't really wanna play this game without being able to enjoy it to its full extent I know that DLCs are cheap compared to the amount of hours you'll play the game, except that I'm broke, like most people my age, and even 20€ is a considerable amount of money. Thus, I want to know which DLCs are needed to really best enjoy the game.

PDX is kinda greedy with it's DLCs. Wait until they are on sale or pirate them of you are in Canada (cause it's actually legal in Canada.)

Most of the DLCs are region specific, but have mechanics that fix a lot of artificially construed problems, like the hassle of recruiting armies by clicking each province manually or making religions useful. Also, be careful, PDX has a history of changing DLCs because they dug themselves into a hole with PR and basically give all the customers who bought said DLCs the middle finger by putting necessary mechanics that were in the DLC into the game to save their stained reputation.

Buy them if you have the money and don't mind the risks.

Going to have to disagree with you there, only greedy people give paradox a bad rep. Everybody else not in backwards Canada it seems, understands how money, goods, and services work.
最後修改者:ChaffyExpert; 2019 年 9 月 20 日 上午 11:21
DankDansk 2019 年 9 月 20 日 下午 2:08 
引用自 Traror
引用自 mccartneyconnor280

PDX is kinda greedy with it's DLCs. Wait until they are on sale or pirate them of you are in Canada (cause it's actually legal in Canada.)

Most of the DLCs are region specific, but have mechanics that fix a lot of artificially construed problems, like the hassle of recruiting armies by clicking each province manually or making religions useful. Also, be careful, PDX has a history of changing DLCs because they dug themselves into a hole with PR and basically give all the customers who bought said DLCs the middle finger by putting necessary mechanics that were in the DLC into the game to save their stained reputation.

Buy them if you have the money and don't mind the risks.

Going to have to disagree with you there, only greedy people give paradox a bad rep. Everybody else not in backwards Canada it seems, understands how money, goods, and services work.

There's a major difference between greed and being practical.

You might like the current system, but many dont. And I'll tell you what I tell everyone. Play the base game and if you like it wait until a sale. There is no reason a few buttons should cost 20 bucks. Choosing to buy or not to and giving your two cents is partaking in capitalism.

Shouting that the DLC is to expensive and that it needs to drop in price is greed. (Which is what I didn't do.)

If enough people disagree with the prices, they'll lower them.

But I'm not going to argue with you about this. There are a few who are genuine PDX fanboys (very few) and then there are those that are overly optimistic. I've just found that a healthy dose of pessemism and paranoia have saved my butt on several occasions.
DankDansk 2019 年 9 月 20 日 下午 2:09 
引用自 Traror
引用自 mccartneyconnor280

PDX is kinda greedy with it's DLCs. Wait until they are on sale or pirate them of you are in Canada (cause it's actually legal in Canada.)

Most of the DLCs are region specific, but have mechanics that fix a lot of artificially construed problems, like the hassle of recruiting armies by clicking each province manually or making religions useful. Also, be careful, PDX has a history of changing DLCs because they dug themselves into a hole with PR and basically give all the customers who bought said DLCs the middle finger by putting necessary mechanics that were in the DLC into the game to save their stained reputation.

Buy them if you have the money and don't mind the risks.

Going to have to disagree with you there, only greedy people give paradox a bad rep. Everybody else not in backwards Canada it seems, understands how money, goods, and services work.

Also Canada doesn't understand capitalism. They also drink tea instead of coffee.

Barbarians.
ChaffyExpert 2019 年 9 月 20 日 下午 2:11 
引用自 mccartneyconnor280
引用自 Traror

Going to have to disagree with you there, only greedy people give paradox a bad rep. Everybody else not in backwards Canada it seems, understands how money, goods, and services work.

There's a major difference between greed and being practical.

You might like the current system, but many dont. And I'll tell you what I tell everyone. Play the base game and if you like it wait until a sale. There is no reason a few buttons should cost 20 bucks. Choosing to buy or not to and giving your two cents is partaking in capitalism.

Shouting that the DLC is to expensive and that it needs to drop in price is greed. (Which is what I didn't do.)

If enough people disagree with the prices, they'll lower them.

But I'm not going to argue with you about this. There are a few who are genuine PDX fanboys (very few) and then there are those that are overly optimistic. I've just found that a healthy dose of pessemism and paranoia have saved my butt on several occasions.

Well that is all your subjective opinion actually.

The way i see it, Paradox provides a product/service, you either buy it, or you don't. While i will not say "if you don't like it play something else" for many reasons, i will say that you are not entitled to buy anything, and as such you are also not entitled to getting any such product or service for free.

You basically advised people to steal, based on their subjective opinion on what "fair prices" are, rather than not buying it, and waiting for the natural course of the market to force them to lower it, or not if it's a successful price range. I personally prefer more DLC over less in this case primarily because it isn't necessary for MP.

Requiring DLC for MP like Civilization 5 is a completely differant matter.

最後修改者:ChaffyExpert; 2019 年 9 月 20 日 下午 2:13
Shai-Hulud 2019 年 9 月 20 日 下午 2:28 
Yeah I would just pick up a couple, pretty much exactly the way you are going about it and asking for a general consensus.

They look overwhelming, but actual content DLC basically falls into two categories - overhaul (or general changes) and regional changes. I would avoid DLC that falls under regional changes, at first. Some of these region specific DLC will have overarching features, but mostly impact a specific area.

Don't take this the wrong way, but you "not wanting to play this game without being able to enjoy it to its full extent" is 100% in your head. Understandable, it doesn't feel "complete".

I've owned the game for over 3 years, and just completed my content DLC set 6 months ago. You are free to feel the way you do about it, obviously. But the idea that not owning all the DLC makes the game "incomplete" or a lesser experience, is total nonsense.

There is actually a large population of people that play this game who refuse to play on newer versions of the game. People will frequently express that playing on an older patch (obviously with none of the DLC that came after that patch) is the best version of the game.

If you have patience, buy the DLC over a single year with multiple sales. There is also the possibility you get 50 hours into the game, and decide you don't really like it. If that is a possibility, being out $10 is a lot better than being out $100+.
DankDansk 2019 年 9 月 20 日 下午 3:39 
引用自 Traror
引用自 mccartneyconnor280

There's a major difference between greed and being practical.

You might like the current system, but many dont. And I'll tell you what I tell everyone. Play the base game and if you like it wait until a sale. There is no reason a few buttons should cost 20 bucks. Choosing to buy or not to and giving your two cents is partaking in capitalism.

Shouting that the DLC is to expensive and that it needs to drop in price is greed. (Which is what I didn't do.)

If enough people disagree with the prices, they'll lower them.

But I'm not going to argue with you about this. There are a few who are genuine PDX fanboys (very few) and then there are those that are overly optimistic. I've just found that a healthy dose of pessemism and paranoia have saved my butt on several occasions.

Well that is all your subjective opinion actually.

The way i see it, Paradox provides a product/service, you either buy it, or you don't. While i will not say "if you don't like it play something else" for many reasons, i will say that you are not entitled to buy anything, and as such you are also not entitled to getting any such product or service for free.

You basically advised people to steal, based on their subjective opinion on what "fair prices" are, rather than not buying it, and waiting for the natural course of the market to force them to lower it, or not if it's a successful price range. I personally prefer more DLC over less in this case primarily because it isn't necessary for MP.

Requiring DLC for MP like Civilization 5 is a completely differant matter.

I like how you focused on the pirating part. It was a joke.

As for the rest, well that's your subjective opinion. If you like the game and value a few buttons for 20 bucks then you have every right to do so. You are entitled to buy something or not to buy something. It isn't a priveledge, it's a right.

I never said that anyone was entitled to something for free. I said that I had stopped buying their products because I didn't like the price.


[The way i see it, Paradox provides a product/service, you either buy it, or you don't.]

Just like you said.

I'm also on mobile at the moment and editing takes forever, so I'll point this out without editing. You talking about the market influencing the game like I didn't state that before in an attempt to make my joke about Canadian piracy laws look like I'm encouraging thievery is really sad. I explicitly stated that if people don't like the prices it will lower. PDX never changes their prices due to age, though.

So again, thank you for your input but it feels more like your trying to white Knight for paradox than presenting a case. There is nothing wrong with liking their games, bit they're the opposite of infallible.


最後修改者:DankDansk; 2019 年 9 月 20 日 下午 3:43
DankDansk 2019 年 9 月 20 日 下午 3:40 
引用自 Stephen Chumber
Yeah I would just pick up a couple, pretty much exactly the way you are going about it and asking for a general consensus.

They look overwhelming, but actual content DLC basically falls into two categories - overhaul (or general changes) and regional changes. I would avoid DLC that falls under regional changes, at first. Some of these region specific DLC will have overarching features, but mostly impact a specific area.

Don't take this the wrong way, but you "not wanting to play this game without being able to enjoy it to its full extent" is 100% in your head. Understandable, it doesn't feel "complete".

I've owned the game for over 3 years, and just completed my content DLC set 6 months ago. You are free to feel the way you do about it, obviously. But the idea that not owning all the DLC makes the game "incomplete" or a lesser experience, is total nonsense.

There is actually a large population of people that play this game who refuse to play on newer versions of the game. People will frequently express that playing on an older patch (obviously with none of the DLC that came after that patch) is the best version of the game.

If you have patience, buy the DLC over a single year with multiple sales. There is also the possibility you get 50 hours into the game, and decide you don't really like it. If that is a possibility, being out $10 is a lot better than being out $100+.

This is a pretty good post. The base game does not need DLC, (at least not anymore.) So if you don't find them worthwhile then don't buy them.
ChaffyExpert 2019 年 9 月 20 日 下午 3:46 
引用自 mccartneyconnor280
引用自 Traror

Well that is all your subjective opinion actually.

The way i see it, Paradox provides a product/service, you either buy it, or you don't. While i will not say "if you don't like it play something else" for many reasons, i will say that you are not entitled to buy anything, and as such you are also not entitled to getting any such product or service for free.

You basically advised people to steal, based on their subjective opinion on what "fair prices" are, rather than not buying it, and waiting for the natural course of the market to force them to lower it, or not if it's a successful price range. I personally prefer more DLC over less in this case primarily because it isn't necessary for MP.

Requiring DLC for MP like Civilization 5 is a completely differant matter.

I like how you focused on the pirating part. It was a joke.

As for the rest, well that's your subjective opinion. If you like the game and value a few buttons for 20 bucks then you have every right to do so. You are entitled to buy something or not to buy something. It isn't a priveledge, it's a right.

I never said that anyone was entitled to something for free. I said that I had stopped buying their products because I didn't like the price.


[The way i see it, Paradox provides a product/service, you either buy it, or you don't.]

Just like you said.

I'm also on mobile at the moment and editing takes forever, so I'll point this out without editing. You talking about the market influencing the game like I didn't state that before in an attempt to make my joke about Canadian piracy laws look like I'm encouraging thievery is really sad. I explicitly stated that if people don't like the prices it will lower. PDX never changes their prices due to age, though.

So again, thank you for your input but it feels more like your trying to white Knight for paradox than presenting a case. There is nothing wrong with liking their games, bit they're the opposite of infallible.

Nevermind, without the pirating part we are basically agreeing.

I don't think it is "white knighting" since people are unfair, usually want things for free, and until now i thought you were encouraging piracy.

And in case you didn't notice, it is impossible to tell if someone is joking or serious sometimes especially on the internet. i have seen alot of people try to actually justify piracy.
最後修改者:ChaffyExpert; 2019 年 9 月 20 日 下午 3:47
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