Manpower recovery speed, have I understood this right?

[Savage Matt]

As I currently understand it;

there's a base manpower per month from "manpower increase" at about 83 per month (ignoring bonuses from being emperor)

and the rest is "manpower from provinces" multiplied by "manpower recovery speed" (=100% + bonuses) all devided by 120



now here's what confuses me; in creating a custom nation there are two options with the same cost for taking them: "manpower recovery speed" (5%-20%) and "national manpower modifier" (7.5%-30%)

so it looks like the "national manpower modifier" should not only allow for a larger manpower pool, but since recovery speed is proportional to your manpower pool it should incrase manpower recovery speed more than than "manpower recovery speed" national idea!, making it so much better!

have I got something wrong here? does the "national manpower modifier" get excluded from the recovery speed calculation?

[c00lizz]

National manpower is just plain better yeah. Never relealized that they had the same cost in the custom nation editor but then again, that thing is hardly balanced.

[brian_va]

Recovering with the larger pool should be faster, but there is probably a threshold somewhere where the recovery modifier is stronger. It's probably a safe bet that if you are "small" the speed will be better, as you have low province and development count. Surely there is some math that can back that up, but I'm not that guy.

[c00lizz]

Don't think that's true. Max Manpower sets base number of men gained each month. National Manpower Modifier increases Max Manpower and by extension the number of men gained each month. Manpower recovery speed only increases the number of men gained each month which is based on max manpower. Manpower recovery speed becomes a more potent modifier the higher your max manpower is but I don't think it ever actually increases the number of men gained each month more than an equal max manpower modifer does.

[Savage Matt]

cheers guys

[Arginine]

I think you got it wrong. Max Manpower does not increase your recovery speed. The only reason you see a correlation, is because developing manpow increases both recovery speed and max manpower.

https://eu4.paradoxwikis.com/Manpower

And the bonus does not add anything to the base manpower.

[Rabob]

Originally posted by Arginine:

I think you got it wrong. Max Manpower does not increase your recovery speed. The only reason you see a correlation, is because developing manpow increases both recovery speed and max manpower.

https://eu4.paradoxwikis.com/Manpower

And the bonus does not add anything to the base manpower.

Ehm, even on the wiki it says that it increases your manpower and thus your manpower recovery. It's about what brings the most men. Not the % change relative to the total pool if you meant that.
I rather get 1k on 100k than 0,9 on 80k or something.

Also army tradition improves your recovery as well, so it's usually better to have a larger manpower pool than recovery speed.

I wanted to calculate the exact break even point, but unfortunately I dont have excel at this moment :'(

[nekoman]

Max manpower is superior, but you can't take it twice in ideas (without exploits).

[Arginine]

Originally posted by Rabob:

Originally posted by Arginine:

I think you got it wrong. Max Manpower does not increase your recovery speed. The only reason you see a correlation, is because developing manpow increases both recovery speed and max manpower.

https://eu4.paradoxwikis.com/Manpower

And the bonus does not add anything to the base manpower.

Ehm, even on the wiki it says that it increases your manpower and thus your manpower recovery. It's about what brings the most men. Not the % change relative to the total pool if you meant that.
I rather get 1k on 100k than 0,9 on 80k or something.

Also army tradition improves your recovery as well, so it's usually better to have a larger manpower pool than recovery speed.

I wanted to calculate the exact break even point, but unfortunately I dont have excel at this moment :'(

Where? Max manpower does not increase manpower recovery. Look at the equation again

[Rabob]

Originally posted by Arginine:

Where? Max manpower does not increase manpower recovery. Look at the equation again

National Manpower Efficiency increases Manpower Efficiency per province, so it increases the Sum of Province Manpower. This in effect increases the Monthly Manpower Recovery.

I think you might better look again at it and try plugging some numbers in. National manpower modifiers increase the manpower pool and thus increases the manpower you get per month.

Let's assume the base manpower you get is 10.000. Now say your manpower sum of provinces was 10.000 and you have 0% recovery speed. Your manpower per month would be (10k + 10k)/120 = 166,67
With say a 30% national manpower modifier your sum would be 13.000 and per month you would get (10k + 13k)/120 = 191,67
With a 20% recovery speed instead of 30% national manpower, this would be:
(10k + 10k*120%)/120 = 183,33

So in terms of absolute manpower and regain you are better of with national modifiers. This is also because other factors yield more manpower this way (estate actions)

[Arginine]

Originally posted by Rabob:

Originally posted by Arginine:

Where? Max manpower does not increase manpower recovery. Look at the equation again

National Manpower Efficiency increases Manpower Efficiency per province, so it increases the Sum of Province Manpower. This in effect increases the Monthly Manpower Recovery.

I think you might better look again at it and try plugging some numbers in. National manpower modifiers increase the manpower pool and thus increases the manpower you get per month.

Let's assume the base manpower you get is 10.000. Now say your manpower sum of provinces was 10.000 and you have 0% recovery speed. Your manpower per month would be (10k + 10k)/120 = 166,67
With say a 30% national manpower modifier your sum would be 13.000 and per month you would get (10k + 13k)/120 = 191,67
With a 20% recovery speed instead of 30% national manpower, this would be:
(10k + 10k*120%)/120 = 183,33

So in terms of absolute manpower and regain you are better of with national modifiers. This is also because other factors yield more manpower this way (estate actions)

Ah! Thanks^^