Institutions as Japan

[The Vlach]

I am playing as the Shimazu Shogunate (Shogunate government is OP hence why I didn't change to Japan) and it's 1580, I've colonized and conquered all of the Philippines, Brunei and the island beneath it

My problem is however that I haven't had a single institution in my land so I'm currently at 131% more cost for technology

I can't meet the Europeans because my colonial range doesn't reach to Europe or South America either

Any tips on how to get them in your regions?

[c00lizz]

Japan is quite litterally the furtherest away you can be from the European Institutions. That being said, they are not hard to get, even without Common Sense. You already got exploration so just to make a colonial nation to start getting Colonialism and Renisance should be making it's way towards you fairly quickly by now. The only one that's always a bother to get is printing press since you'll probably only get that once you reach the prerequiste diplo tech to make it grow in your capital.

That being said, if you are not actively conquering and just playing a more relaxed game like it sounds then there is not too much of a rush to grab institutions, you'll catch up in tech really quickly lategame without too much issue.

[Lud]

if you have common sense dlc, you can improve provinces development. it get points to the oldest institution, just keep using monarch points in a province that is cheap to upgrade, it eventually will get to 100% and start spreading.
this is the only way to get the first 2 intitutions(3 with feudalism) outside europe without bordering someone that has it. Colonialism is easy to get, just make colonies on north america and your capital will start growing it

[tonypa]

You could just wait for european colonies start appearing nearby. Portugal, England, even Ottos tend to colonise islands in Indonesia, it is just matter of waiting long enough for them to reach it. You could then grab provinces from them.

[Colorjuice14]

Develop provinces; It helped me when playing Japan. I never went much above a 50% increase in tech cost, and I took loans to get institutions faster. Developing your provinces also will get you more money in the long run too. Global trade should be easy to get starting in 1600. If you do have common sense, you can develop your provinces to 20 development and place manufacturies to get the institution spawn (hopefully) and you can get Made in Japan achievement if you're in ironman

[The Vlach]

So have I gotten this right

For Renaissance I develop provinces

For colonization I colonize the Americas

For printing press nothing can be done

Regarding the Renaissance, is there a certain development that I have to have? For example, if I unite all of Japan quickly do most provinces have to have 20 development?

[leaper]

Originally posted by Maximus Erectus:

So have I gotten this right

For Renaissance I develop provinces

For colonization I colonize the Americas

For printing press nothing can be done

Regarding the Renaissance, is there a certain development that I have to have? For example, if I unite all of Japan quickly do most provinces have to have 20 development?

No just develop one province then it will spawn there and start to spread

[Omniconda]

each time you add a dev point you will gain a small boost to the earliest institution you dont have.
as you add more dev to that province you will gte slightly more for each point untill its present and will spread on its own to your other provinces.
you need 10% of automony modifed development to embrace the institution and lose its penalty paying gold to embrace in the rest of your provinces.
The more development that has it present the cheaper it will cost to embrace with teh cost being 1 ducat if present in every province.

Institutions have diffrent ways that they spread so many will grow naturally without player input but will take time, to help it it from your neighbours its usually best to have good relations but if you spawned it in your area and dont want others to get it ie MIng havingh negitive relations will slow them down

[Zorlond]

I've noticed that if multiple Institutions are active and not in my country, I can increase development in one province to get the oldest Institution started, wait a bit for it to fully spread to any one neighboring province, then develop that neighbor province up to start the next Institution.

Provinces will advance in both Institutions if they are in range of provinces that have both. The ducat cost to adopt them so quickly will get a bit expensive, but you can probably figure something out.

[SwaggySquid]

Originally posted by Leaper:

Originally posted by Maximus Erectus:

So have I gotten this right

For Renaissance I develop provinces

For colonization I colonize the Americas

For printing press nothing can be done

Regarding the Renaissance, is there a certain development that I have to have? For example, if I unite all of Japan quickly do most provinces have to have 20 development?

No just develop one province then it will spawn there and start to spread

The problem was that I was extremely behind on tech after developing said province.

[The Vlach]

Originally posted by SwaggySquid1110:

Originally posted by Leaper:

No just develop one province then it will spawn there and start to spread

The problem was that I was extremely behind on tech after developing said province.

It's a risk reward situation

But when developing you should find a low development province, and evenly develop it with your admin, diplo and mil points

[Lantantan]

Nice thread necromancy!