How to spread dynasty/personal unions? 1.19

[Unit 202]

I know it's possible without the monarch of the other country dying (dynasty spread), for I've witnessed it a few times, so how can I maximize this? I know how claim throne and royal marriges work, what I need to know is how to get the prequisites and how make this process most efficient., since what I mostly hear is along the lines of "It requiresway to much luck except it doesn't". so I just need to know the most effective ways to get a PU, what are the most Important factors to getting one, and how to spread my dynasty most effectively? Also if I have a big PU parter, should I integrate them, like England ruling France? Thanks.

[c00lizz]

There is an event for spawning an heir of your dynasty in a country that lacks one. Requires 5 or 6 royal marriages as I recall though.

[Exarch_Alpha]

Originally posted by Αρχιγος:

Also if I have a big PU parter, should I integrate them, like England ruling France? Thanks.

You feed PU partners as much as you can before they become too big to have too high liberty desire. You can´t conquer whole Europe with a PU France, if that´s what you are wondering. Go Influence and integrate. It´s impossible to inherit such a country. And until you do it´s a diplo slot being used.

[IndirectHero]

Originally posted by Αρχιγος:

I know it's possible without the monarch of the other country dying (dynasty spread), for I've witnessed it a few times, so how can I maximize this? I know how claim throne and royal marriges work, what I need to know is how to get the prequisites and how make this process most efficient., since what I mostly hear is along the lines of "It requiresway to much luck except it doesn't". so I just need to know the most effective ways to get a PU, what are the most Important factors to getting one, and how to spread my dynasty most effectively? Also if I have a big PU parter, should I integrate them, like England ruling France? Thanks.

Best way to do it is to check your "no heir icon" on the top of the tool tip bar ever now and then to see which nation you would like to attempt to get your dynasty on the throne.

If a nation ruler is at least 60+ years old with no heir, you have a high chance to get your dynasty on the throne. You even might get a chance to a free PU if that nation is not in a war or doesn't get a new heir before the ruler death. It also depends on how many marriages that nation has, if they have none besides yours, then that nation will be all yours :). If that nation is married to multiple nations, then it will go by whoever is higher in Diplomatic Reputation and relationship for the next in line for their dynasty.

Also, there is a chance to get a PU with your rivals if their rulers dies without a heir. But those PU are force PU which racks up AE cause by sucession wars.

But if you really want a quick PU, and your dynasty does fall on a foreign throne, then claim throne and do a force PU by declaring war. But force PU are AE crazy, and high liberty desire when they become your lesser union.

Another tip, if you do claim another throne, make sure you can declare war the following month after your claim throne. That way you won't lose the CB if you're waiting for the truce to expire. Doing it on an ally is pretty much a waste since after the truce is up, it probably is too late and you wasted your prestige and relationship with all the other nations you're married too.

On last note, just remember to check the dynasty tab of that nation you want to PU, because it will tell you what would happen if that ruler dies.

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Here is a screenshot of my Lithuania game. Doing something right for PU's :)

[IndirectHero]

Oh and to answer your last question, I normally try to inherit them. Inherit chance increases by Diplomatic Reputation, and having the same culture. If it shows at least 20% chance or more to inherit, then go for it. If lit ess than that, then yes go for integrate. Though I would do it if I had max out diplomatic and influency for a faster and cheaper route. Plus if you wait till you get any admin efficiency tech, than that would help you go even faster and save more on diplomatic points.

[Rooter]

Some great advice above.
To spread your dynasty you require superior prestige.
It is the prestige value at the time u marry them that is used as far as I can figure out.
The prestige value is shown under the heir button, hover over it.
Set your alerts to all european countries, this will cause alerts non stop for everything but the ones to watch for are the ruler/heir deaths or the new ruler/heir alerts.
Dont ally countries you want to PU, just RM.
At start of game it is so easy to get PU's over Aragon and Milan. Especially if playing as France.
Try France as 5-6 diplo slots(1-2 over) Ally and suck up to 3-4 electors. RM Aragon and Milan.
From experience you prob have a 90% to be in position to force PU aragon in under 5 years(Ally castille just before u declare war)
You have maybe 50% chance to inherit milan in 10 years.
U can also get the HRE emperor 50% within 20 years. DO NOT FIGHT IN HRE TO TAKE LANDS, ALLWAYS HELP YOUR ALLIES.
Getting aragon will be 2 diplo spots due to naples.
A big tip - PU's are easy for me but I have learnt to only PU countries that are worth it. 50 years with a 2 province pu partner is not worth it.
It quite possible, depending on game start for france to have Castille,Aragon,Naples,Milan, Savoy,Austria,Brandenburg,Bohemia,Portugal or England as lesser PU partners.(only ones really worth it) As france its better to just annex England over time.
I also always, no matter what country I am keep the commonwealth on the radar for later on.

[Rooter]

PS your lesser PU partners will turn into a shadow of what they once were in regardss to intelligence.
Dont think they will give u an easy ride, the game doesnt seem to like you having too many PU'S.

[Unit 202]

So, I feel like I'm kindof getting some new stuff, especaily the prestige at time of marrige, but I still don't see how people get so many PUs unless the whole thing is luck, not to mention the great speed with which that lithuania got all of those powerfull PUs, perhaps a step-by-step explanation as to how you got each one would be helpful, I think that'd make it much easier to comprehend, an example. I also have wierd ambition to make a norwegain superpower by PUing (and interating/inheriting) enlgand and becoming emperor, and then do the obvious colonization of the americas, so if anyone has advice on that that'd be nice, but I'm sure I could figure that out on my own if I had some more knowledge on the subject.

[Yxklyx]

Originally posted by c00lizz:

There is an event for spawning an heir of your dynasty in a country that lacks one. Requires 5 or 6 royal marriages as I recall though.

Oh wow, does that work for all religion groups?

[c00lizz]

Actually don't know but I would imagine it would be pretty irrelevent as only Christians can get PU's.

[Quicksilver]

Set the game to autopause on the death of an heir/death of a ruler for countries of interest. I always have to look up how to fiddle with that setting each time I do a PU centric nation like Austria.

Run high diplomatic reputation for getting over maluses like range between borders for accepting PUs. It also helps with integration chances.

High prestige seems to be a thing again.

Keep as many RMs as you can for event conditions, but also remember this means more people taking relations hits when you use claim throne.

It can be worth letting one of your RM's that develops into a dynastic RM stay as just an allied dynastic RM so that they will do their owns marriages and spread your dynasty. This is a double edged sword as they can lose the dynasty again, but overall it's usually worth it, particularly for nations with high numbers of diplomatic relations slots.

[Cortez]

Can someone tell me how can I be sure that a certain country will get my dynasty and not (for example) Austria or Saxony?

[Rooter]

You cant be sure.
Follow the advice given and you will have a good chance.

[Cortez]

Originally posted by Rooter:

You cant be sure.
Follow the advice given and you will have a good chance.

Well, when I plaid as Lithuania with 98 prestige and Poland for some reason didn't got my dynasty... and he was in interegnum

[Unit 202]

So... I rememver reading something about development being taken into acount, is this still valid, and if so how much. So basicly how small can I be in realtion to the nation I want to PU?

[Unit 202]

And also does anyone know how to increase diplomatic reputation early on, or to those insane levels I've heard of like 20?