easiest way to join HRE

[InfestedDT]

for nations likes the teutonic knights where poland is a massive threat, how do you join the HRE to protect yourself

[Rabob]

Do not expand and also do not increase development.
Improve relations with the HRE emperor (Austria normally) and ally them. I think it take about 160 relation for you to join.
Click on Danzig and there should be an icon to add the province to the empire. After that you could add all the other provinces as well or just your capital and you will be in the HRE.

Once you are in, do whatever you like. Also do not forget to vote for reforms you would like to see passed :)

[InfestedDT]

thanks :D

[Medicles]

Its luckily pretty easy in this patch. You only need 148 relation with the emperor, and he usually has already 25, so you only need a diplomat to get it to 125 and then gift the emperor some gold for the last 25 points, should be 200-225 gold. If you start immediately at the beginning, it should take only 5 years. In those 5 years you just wait, but you need at least 4 allies so poland wont attack you in that time. Just be sure to do it immediately when the relation gets to 123-125, getting into the HRE is the most important thing in Teuton early game.

[Mikey]

once you are able simply ally with Austria (unless they are allied to Poland this should be doable)
instead of wasting all that precious metal on measly 25 relations you get 50 relations for free

[Ypulse]

and how can i join into HRE as hungary? they ask for 200+++ relations lol

[InfestedDT]

im not sure its possible, i think you have to be germanic dutch or italian.

[Medicles]

Originally posted by Mikey:

once you are able simply ally with Austria (unless they are allied to Poland this should be doable)
instead of wasting all that precious metal on measly 25 relations you get 50 relations for free

Precious metal? You would get the money back immediately after you vasallised pommerania. Austria as ally is not a good idea unless they have a PU with hungary, because austria will drag you into wars against france you cant win.

Originally posted by Ypulse:

and how can i join into HRE as hungary? they ask for 200+++ relations lol

You cant, because hungary is too big. You could do it by releasing vassals until you are small enough to get in.

[Ypulse]

Originally posted by Tea Age:

Originally posted by Ypulse:

and how can i join into HRE as hungary? they ask for 200+++ relations lol

You cant, because hungary is too big. You could do it by releasing vassals until you are small enough to get in.

i tried, but relation req simply just went bigger lol 300+++
i had only 2 province and game told me that i am too big :)

[Gilgamesh Smith]

Well for England, which I'm doing right now, it is to simply become the Emperor and declare England as part of it because you can't tell England what to do

[Rabob]

Originally posted by Ypulse:

Originally posted by Tea Age:

You cant, because hungary is too big. You could do it by releasing vassals until you are small enough to get in.

i tried, but relation req simply just went bigger lol 300+++
i had only 2 province and game told me that i am too big :)

Wiki:

A nation may add provinces to the HRE if the provinces border the HRE via land connection or shared sea tile, and the nation has good relations with the Emperor (seen in province screen) or is the Emperor. Adding a capital province to the HRE will make that nation a member state. Adding a province to the HRE as a non-member requires the Emperor to have an opinion towards the state wishing to join of at least:

100 + CultureModifier * Development

where CultureModifier is 0.5 if belonging to the same culture group as the emperor and 1 otherwise. For example, in 1444 the Teutonic Order Teutonic Order has 115 development and a culture group shared with the Emperor, so it requires (100 + 0.5*115 = ) 157 opinion from the Emperor to join. Since relations can't exceed 200, this means that a nation of the emperor's culture group (usually German) can't have more than 200 development, while one of a different culture group can't have more than 100 development. Since vassal's development counts, releasing provinces to vassals can not help joining the HRE.

Hungary does not have Germanic culture. So your options are:
1. giving/selling away land till you reach the max of 100 dev.
2. becoming emperor and adding your land (or capital at least) to the empire.
3. conquer some HRE provinces and lose all of your non HRE provinces. Then you are forced to become a HRE prince as well.
4. culture switch to some german culture and then join. I am not sure how it works nowadays, but I believe only states are counted in this and your mayority culture of state provinces should be german, so if you conquer enough of the same germanic culture and give away or make territories from your other cultures it might just work.

Easiest option would be option number 2.
Also I am not sure what happens if you have a PU with an elector and inherit them. Whether you still get the elector title and thus become HRE or not.

[Ypulse]

Originally posted by Rabob:

Originally posted by Ypulse:

i tried, but relation req simply just went bigger lol 300+++
i had only 2 province and game told me that i am too big :)

Wiki:

A nation may add provinces to the HRE if the provinces border the HRE via land connection or shared sea tile, and the nation has good relations with the Emperor (seen in province screen) or is the Emperor. Adding a capital province to the HRE will make that nation a member state. Adding a province to the HRE as a non-member requires the Emperor to have an opinion towards the state wishing to join of at least:

100 + CultureModifier * Development

where CultureModifier is 0.5 if belonging to the same culture group as the emperor and 1 otherwise. For example, in 1444 the Teutonic Order Teutonic Order has 115 development and a culture group shared with the Emperor, so it requires (100 + 0.5*115 = ) 157 opinion from the Emperor to join. Since relations can't exceed 200, this means that a nation of the emperor's culture group (usually German) can't have more than 200 development, while one of a different culture group can't have more than 100 development. Since vassal's development counts, releasing provinces to vassals can not help joining the HRE.

Hungary does not have German culture. So your options are:
1. giving/selling away land till you reach the max of 100 dev.
2. becoming emperor and adding your land (or capital at least) to the empire.
3. conquer some HRE provinces and lose all of your non HRE provinces. Then you are forced to become a HRE prince as well.
4. culture switch to some german culture. I am not sure how it works nowadays, but I believe only states are counted in this and your mayority culture of state provinces should be german, so if you conquer enough of the same germanic culture and give away or make territories from your other cultures it might just work.

damn its not easy, thx

[Mikey]

Rabob, if you have a PU with an elector you only become an elector yourself if you are already part of the HRE at the time and only if it is a direct inheritance (integrating them will not work)

[Mikey]

Originally posted by Tea Age:

Originally posted by Mikey:

once you are able simply ally with Austria (unless they are allied to Poland this should be doable)
instead of wasting all that precious metal on measly 25 relations you get 50 relations for free

Precious metal? You would get the money back immediately after you vasallised pommerania. Austria as ally is not a good idea unless they have a PU with hungary, because austria will drag you into wars against france you cant win.

Originally posted by Ypulse:

and how can i join into HRE as hungary? they ask for 200+++ relations lol

You cant, because hungary is too big. You could do it by releasing vassals until you are small enough to get in.

Vassalizing pomerania will not give you direct cash not sure why you seem to think that, and vassalizing them through war will push your AE to the HRE into the "screw that guy" departement.
Also Austria won't go to war with France during the first 50-60 years, it's rare until the war of religion. In any case you can tell Austria to sod off if it becomes a problem since you only need the alliance to enter the HRE (and protect against early Polish aggression).

Releasing vassals was "fixed" a long long long time ago. Was mainly done because the Scandinavians could join the HRE despite being a superpower in the early game (Denmark being rather small in it self back then with 2 PUs on the side and Sweden joining if it released Finland after it's own indepence)

[Medicles]

Originally posted by Mikey:

Originally posted by Tea Age:

Precious metal? You would get the money back immediately after you vasallised pommerania. Austria as ally is not a good idea unless they have a PU with hungary, because austria will drag you into wars against france you cant win.



You cant, because hungary is too big. You could do it by releasing vassals until you are small enough to get in.

Vassalizing pomerania will not give you direct cash not sure why you seem to think that, and vassalizing them through war will push your AE to the HRE into the "screw that guy" departement.
Also Austria won't go to war with France during the first 50-60 years, it's rare until the war of religion. In any case you can tell Austria to sod off if it becomes a problem since you only need the alliance to enter the HRE (and protect against early Polish aggression).

Releasing vassals was "fixed" a long long long time ago. Was mainly done because the Scandinavians could join the HRE despite being a superpower in the early game (Denmark being rather small in it self back then with 2 PUs on the side and Sweden joining if it released Finland after it's own indepence)

Teutonic Order is my favourite "nation" and i think i know what i am talking about. Vasallizing Pommerania is the first thing i do, the AE penalty is on the border of getting a coalation against me. Its the same with Brandenburg. And since Pommerania often times has two small allys, i get a whole lot of gold at the end of the war. I use a peace deal for each one of course.

Also, 50-60 years is just not true. I had more than enough situations where i got called immediately into war against france before 1450.