How do you deal with core cost?

[B2]

i make the fast expansion but have many overextension and my ADM is not enough
it will make me too slow ADM tech slow. How i deal with it
(sry for bad english)

[Wyrtt]

do not take provinces. Vassalase enemy ans anex.
or release nations. ally and vassalase

[B2]

i see many WorldConquer video. they expand so fast and take many provinces how they deal with it

[Bauch]

95% of WC Attempts i saw play with Previous Version (where u dont have to "double" Core, are not state limited, less AE, no Corruption etc) and maybe some other Exploits.

Admin Idea is huge if u want to take Lands for urself, and ofc u will need Vassals. And have Claims on what u take will reduce Core cost asell.

[equinox1911]

It is different in any given situation, in general you have to just plan ahead and time it right. There are no easy solutions there are only choices.

[Marcos_DS]

If you want to do a world conquest i would recommend ottomans on the current patch. They get -33% coring cost reduction from national ideas. Take influence and admin ideas as the first 2 idea groups, and you will have a very good combo to get best reduction both for normal coring and annexing vassals (also agressive expansion reduction, which is actually the harder part imo).

[B2]

Ok ,thank you so much
I play as muscovy and conquer novgorod then expand to south east
In 1460 i have only 4,3,4 tech but france already have 5,4,5 tech
how can i fight him

[Vladimiś]

Why would you want to fight france? They are on the other side of Europe and you probably wont be able to take anything from them. If you really want to fight them for some reason then use your smarts, youre a human they are AI. Just scorch your forts and make them face real soviet winter while they siege your provinces, use terrain to your advantage, try to snipe smaller stacks which possibly run around without generals. But be careful since tech 5 gives them new units so try to avoid 1:1 fights unless you have big advantage over them like mountains -2 penalty or better general

[Laladen]

Originally posted by Bauch:

95% of WC Attempts i saw play with Previous Version (where u dont have to "double" Core, are not state limited, less AE, no Corruption etc) and maybe some other Exploits.

Admin Idea is huge if u want to take Lands for urself, and ofc u will need Vassals. And have Claims on what u take will reduce Core cost asell.

There is no "double core"

To create a Territorial Core. It is 50% of the full core costs.
If the province is then in a State, you can finish the core by paying the other 50%

Core costs were not doubled. The player now has the option to pay 50% of the costs to core a province rather than 100%. You just have 75% Autonomy if you choose that.

[equinox1911]

It's not really a choice in a WC. You will run out of states faster than you can yell "NEY".
Still not sure what sort of exploits he is talking about.

WC is very viable and has been for quite a while even without any exploits.

[Bauch]

Thinking of a Ryuku WC i saw. im quite sure u cant do that in a normal Game now, creating a Vassall that fast, feeding it half of China and india in like dunno exactly how many Years but Quite fast, while he was himself just Japan and some NorthChinese Coast down to Beying. I mean a Vassal nowadays doesnt go over 100 Extension for Example.

Yeah ok its possible, but not for me ...... the Game would simply take a month proly and im not that patient.^^

[equinox1911]

Wow you are just wrong and not very well informed. Stop assuming BS and look at how these things were achived. Last game as Ethiopia i ate the whole of India in like 25 years and i didn't even try to go fast.
Just because you can't do it does not mean that other people have to use exploits to do it.
There are quite a few problems finishing a WC and none are related to the fact that you need exploits.

[Bauch]

ok then i wrong i guess. i thought the new patches were kinda made to more likely prevent that kinda Playstyle.

[Laladen]

I just got my first WC in 1.18. Vassals were a massive part of handling the cost. I didn't use any exploits. I am not aware of any exploits related to coring. I had a ton of Territorial Cores. Which is essentially a 50% discount on core costs. This pretty much existed before cores were changed by moving your capitol around to change what was considered an overseas core.

As the game progresses, cores and diplo annexing become cheaper. At Admin tech 17, 23, and 27 coring costs and diplo-annexing a vassal become cheaper by 20% at each of those levels maxing out at 60%. With Admin & Influence ideas, that reduces them to much smaller amounts.

You are right about a WC game. They take forever and tons of maximizing, planning, and micro-managing everything. I typically have 3-5 games going on at any given point however and I will flip between them depending on how I want to play at the time. I take notes on my more serious achievement focused games so I can pick up on what I was trying to do at the time or what I was thinking. I tend to try to wrap up these games the closer a major patch comes to launching. I have had several WC attempts that I got half finished and just didn't ever finish. I am not sure I will ever try it again except maybe someday Ryukku for the Three Mountains...maybe. I am not nearly that good yet lol.

[Bauch]

Congrats then [Linux]Fedaykin. GG wp!

[Laladen]

Also, there is going to come a point or multiple points where you will have a coalition war(s). Also you will eventually have to ignore AE totally. Knowing when to take on a coalition and when to just ignore AE are things that take practice. I think a lot of players quit or save scum when they get coalitions. To WC, you have to learn to deal with this. Decide even before you declare the war that will put you over 50 AE with multiple countries that this will be it. I am sure some players are good enough to not have to deal with coalitions? I was not lol.

I remember when I was taking India, I had already begun to ignore AE. At least outside of Europe. Also, IIRC a coalition did not form in Asia at 50 AE. It was more like 85 AE and only when I had attacked someone. Maybe because I was at war in some way I had dropped below some threshhold. No idea.

Also, overextension is probably going to happen at some point. It may be avoidable, but it was not for me. If it is going to happen, make it happen for a vassal not you.