Forming Italy as Aragon

[Kashone]

Currently playing as Aragon - And I am wondering how I form Italy - from my understanding I need to culture shift to an Italian culture but I am having a difficult time getting this above 50% any tips would be greatly appreciated.

Cheers

[CidDaBird]

You dont need to culture shift to form italy.

[Surimi]

You need to be in the Latin culture group, which since Aragonese is in the Iberian culture group means culture shifting, yeah. It's a bit harder now that the Latin culture has been properly balkanized.

Culture conversion is 25% cheaper when an adjacent province (by land or sea) has the relevant culture. So your best bet is probably to convert a low-development province in Iberia to a Latin culture (probably Sicilian or Neapolitan) then use that as a base to culture convert the more expensive and high development provinces (the 50% is development, not total provinces), It will be much, much easier if you start early in the game while you're still fairly small.

[H.JACK THE PRESIDENT]

i would move my capital to roma and adopt local culture. there are other ways like converting valencia to latin. compare which way is cheaper and decide for yourself. theres no tangible benefits for moving capital from valencia to roma since they are both in the genoa trade node.

[Peel]

If I remember correctly (and this is what I did in my current game), you can do this without converting any provinces, which I think is impossible without the Cossacks anyway. I believe you need 50% of your state development to be of the desired culture - therefore you revoke all of your states except for the ones in Naples.

Be aware that this will be very expensive. All your provinces are now giving a quarter of what they used to, and you need to pay half the coring cost again to get the states back. Oh, and your neigbours will jump on you if they think you're weak...

In my campaign the two worst points were just after culture shifting (war with France's bloc and the Ottomans), and just after converting to Protestant (same two).

To be honest it's not worth it unless you're going for either Italian Ambition (as I was), World Conquest, or you're telling a story.

[Kashone]

Originally posted by Peel:

If I remember correctly (and this is what I did in my current game), you can do this without converting any provinces, which I think is impossible without the Cossacks anyway. I believe you need 50% of your state development to be of the desired culture - therefore you revoke all of your states except for the ones in Naples.

Be aware that this will be very expensive. All your provinces are now giving a quarter of what they used to, and you need to pay half the coring cost again to get the states back. Oh, and your neigbours will jump on you if they think you're weak...

In my campaign the two worst points were just after culture shifting (war with France's bloc and the Ottomans), and just after converting to Protestant (same two).

To be honest it's not worth it unless you're going for either Italian Ambition (as I was), World Conquest, or you're telling a story.

Thats exactly why I am doing this - to get Italian ambition and there ideas then I was going to go for Consulate of the Sea after that. I just wasnt sure if I should move my capital or not - I vasseled the pope as well. I just wasn't sure which italian culture to pick before I started the development process.

[Peel]

I did it without moving the capital, though it does move to Rome automatically once you form Italy. You might also want to check if Consulate of the Sea requires you to stay as Aragon - I put off forming Italy just in case...

And you vassalised the Pope? Hopefully you switched religion as I did then. Actually I vassalised him as well, but by that point he only owned mantua and Modena. Just remember to integrate him if he's got any of the prerequisite provinces.

[Mikey]

Consulate of the Sea requires you to be Aragon afaik. Even forming Spain percludes you from getting that achievement.