wow just discovered proclaim guarantee is very useful

[5uperJ!mmY™]

learn something new today :D

After u attack another nation, normally it will be weaken, and other AI nation will declare war on it too to eat it up.
and proclaim guarantee allow u to prevent other nation from eating up what u can gain or annex later on.

:D

[Laladen]

Breaking the guarantee makes a truce. Send warning is so much better if you're large enough to use it

[The Void Boy]

yeah I had a game where I guranteed Crimea and the moment I withdrew the gurantee it created a truce situation and tCrimea ended up in about 5 different defensive wars within the first month

[Laladen]

I try to use Proclaim Guarantee as a means to stunt a rivals growth. Making it so easy territory will not be gained easy. Usually it will just keep your rival from expanding that direction until you are weak; so it always has to be in your calculations.

Alternatively, if I remember correctly, it will give +10 to a countries reasons to accept diplomatic vassalization. (Of course the guarantee goes away if they accept.)

[Medicles]

If i remember correctly, you can withdraw the guarantee at the last moment when the actual war truce will end, which then ends automatically the guarantee truce you would get. I guess its because you cant have two different truces with the same nation at the same time.

[Laladen]

Originally posted by Tea Age:

If i remember correctly, you can withdraw the guarantee at the last moment when the actual war truce will end, which then ends automatically the guarantee truce you would get. I guess its because you cant have two different truces with the same nation at the same time.

I haven't tried this, but the last truce generating event should take precedence. For example, If you are at war with a country and take a 100% peace deal with will create a truce for 15 years. Then you attack that countries ally and end up at war again with the country you have the 15 year truce with, you can white peace them out for 0 warscore and it will change the truce date from 15 years to 5 years if you take nothing.

This behavior may not be the same for your Proclaim Guarantee thing. No idea.

[Medicles]

Well, i just had that one example in 1.22. I was France and dissolved the alliance with Provence immediately at the start, which gave me a 5 year true, but i also proclaimed guarantee, so Burgundy wont attack them before i do. Couple of month before the truce with Provence ended, i withdraw the guarantee, but no renewal of the truce. Could have been a bug, i dont really know, because that was actually the first and last time i used proclaim guarantee.

[Omniconda]

Originally posted by Fedaykin:

Originally posted by Tea Age:

If i remember correctly, you can withdraw the guarantee at the last moment when the actual war truce will end, which then ends automatically the guarantee truce you would get. I guess its because you cant have two different truces with the same nation at the same time.

I haven't tried this, but the last truce generating event should take precedence. For example, If you are at war with a country and take a 100% peace deal with will create a truce for 15 years. Then you attack that countries ally and end up at war again with the country you have the 15 year truce with, you can white peace them out for 0 warscore and it will change the truce date from 15 years to 5 years if you take nothing.

This behavior may not be the same for your Proclaim Guarantee thing. No idea.

I guess if the last truce event always took precedence then you would use the garentee to never have a 15 year truce with anyone, Just garentee then revoke to have a short truce.... maybe worth testing out

[Rommel]

It uses up a relations slot, otherwise I'd use it a lot more for sure

[5uperJ!mmY™]

from what i notice, when u already won a war against a nation, and have a truce. after u revoke the proclaim guarantee the truce will still remain the same date.

Originally posted by Tea Age:

If i remember correctly, you can withdraw the guarantee at the last moment when the actual war truce will end, which then ends automatically the guarantee truce you would get. I guess its because you cant have two different truces with the same nation at the same time.

[Medicles]

Originally posted by Jimmy:

from what i notice, when u already won a war against a nation, and have a truce. after u revoke the proclaim guarantee the truce will still remain the same date.

Originally posted by Tea Age:

If i remember correctly, you can withdraw the guarantee at the last moment when the actual war truce will end, which then ends automatically the guarantee truce you would get. I guess its because you cant have two different truces with the same nation at the same time.

Interesting, so it is actually a feature and not a bug.