Moldavia is too weak, and a march?

[Rommel]

In the 1400s Moldavia was far more active in fighting the ottomans than probably any other country in europe except maybe hungary.

They fought constant wars against huge ottoman armies and accoding to the turks themselves "Stephen's victory in the Battle of Vaslui was "arguably one of the biggest European victories over the Ottomans", according to historian Alexander Mikaberidze.[82] Mara Branković, Mehmed II's stepmother, stated the Ottomans "had never suffered a greater defeat". The battle she was writing about was a victory of 40,000 moldavians/hungarians/poles vs 120,000 turks. The majority of the troops were moldavian, lead by the moldavian king Stephen III.

I think they should be a much bigger part of eu4, not just some sad little march waiting to be turned into a vassal and eaten by poland. They're less impactfull than any other country in the entire region, even albania has a much bigger impact.

[SilverSquid1810]

Unfortunately, the way Eu4 works simply doesn't allow a nation with three provinces like Moldavia to realistically go up against a massive empire like the Ottomans. Its unfortunate how weak smaller nations tend to be in this game, but it makes sense in most instances. Sure, Moldavia and Albania managed to play a key role in halting Ottoman expansion, but most other small nations, especially one-province minors, wouldn't stand a ♥♥♥♥♥♥♥♥♥ chance if, say, France or England invaded them. It just would be difficult for Pdox to make Moldavia an anti-Ottoman superpower without making them massively over-powered.

[Rommel]

Originally posted by hkiss02, am not dead:

Unfortunately, the way Eu4 works simply doesn't allow a nation with three provinces like Moldavia to realistically go up against a massive empire like the Ottomans. Its unfortunate how weak smaller nations tend to be in this game, but it makes sense in most instances. Sure, Moldavia and Albania managed to play a key role in halting Ottoman expansion, but most other small nations, especially one-province minors, wouldn't stand a ♥♥♥♥♥♥♥♥♥ chance if, say, France or England invaded them. It just would be difficult for Pdox to make Moldavia an anti-Ottoman superpower without making them massively over-powered.

They should at least be independent, and at least as strong as serbia or bosnia. I'm not saying they should be a superpower lol......just a decent small country with maybe a good leader to start.

[Dennemi³]

Originally posted by Rommel:

Originally posted by hkiss02, am not dead:

Unfortunately, the way Eu4 works simply doesn't allow a nation with three provinces like Moldavia to realistically go up against a massive empire like the Ottomans. Its unfortunate how weak smaller nations tend to be in this game, but it makes sense in most instances. Sure, Moldavia and Albania managed to play a key role in halting Ottoman expansion, but most other small nations, especially one-province minors, wouldn't stand a ♥♥♥♥♥♥♥♥♥ chance if, say, France or England invaded them. It just would be difficult for Pdox to make Moldavia an anti-Ottoman superpower without making them massively over-powered.

They should at least be independent, and at least as strong as serbia or bosnia. I'm not saying they should be a superpower lol......just a decent small country with maybe a good leader to start.

well being a vassal is what keeps them alive ottomans dont wanna start a war with poland and all their freinds if theyl be by themselves then the ottomans would annex them just like all the other small nations in the balkans

[SilverSquid1810]

Originally posted by Rommel:

Originally posted by hkiss02, am not dead:

Unfortunately, the way Eu4 works simply doesn't allow a nation with three provinces like Moldavia to realistically go up against a massive empire like the Ottomans. Its unfortunate how weak smaller nations tend to be in this game, but it makes sense in most instances. Sure, Moldavia and Albania managed to play a key role in halting Ottoman expansion, but most other small nations, especially one-province minors, wouldn't stand a ♥♥♥♥♥♥♥♥♥ chance if, say, France or England invaded them. It just would be difficult for Pdox to make Moldavia an anti-Ottoman superpower without making them massively over-powered.

They should at least be independent, and at least as strong as serbia or bosnia. I'm not saying they should be a superpower lol......just a decent small country with maybe a good leader to start.

If Moldavia was independent, they would immediately be gobbled up by the Ottomans. The reason they are a march is so that they can be protected.

[Rommel]

Originally posted by hkiss02, am not dead:

Originally posted by Rommel:

They should at least be independent, and at least as strong as serbia or bosnia. I'm not saying they should be a superpower lol......just a decent small country with maybe a good leader to start.

If Moldavia was independent, they would immediately be gobbled up by the Ottomans. The reason they are a march is so that they can be protected.

Karaman, candar, trebizond, byz, serbia, albania............these are all small independant nations that should be gobbled up by ottos, but its possible to turn the tables. I think moldavia should start allied to poland, the same as provence in the france area. That way they have some time to figure out their own diplomacy and do their opening moves without getting eaten. It would be a lot more historically accurate.

[Waxen]

Since OP is already quoting Wikipedia:
"Petru I profited from the end of the Hungarian-Polish union and moved the country closer to the Jagiellon realm, becoming a vassal of Władysław II on September 26, 1387."
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Moldavia#Late_Middle_Ages

No indication that this vassalage was broken by 1444, so it should stay unless found otherwise.

[Rommel]

Originally posted by !HoNose:

Since OP is already quoting Wikipedia:
"Petru I profited from the end of the Hungarian-Polish union and moved the country closer to the Jagiellon realm, becoming a vassal of Władysław II on September 26, 1387."
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Moldavia#Late_Middle_Ages

No indication that this vassalage was broken by 1444, so it should stay unless found otherwise.

The kings of Moldavia switched their allegience back and forth from hungary to poland and somtimes to the ottomans, being a vassal in 1387 doesnt mean he wouldn't be a vassal to hungary in 1388. They were very opportunistic and joined winning wars hoping to pick up a few pieces of land here and there, they were NOT loyal vassals. Since the game has no mechanic for switching your vassal status to other countries at will, they are clearly much closer to an independant nation than a vassal one.

[SilverSquid1810]

Originally posted by Rommel:

Originally posted by hkiss02, am not dead:

If Moldavia was independent, they would immediately be gobbled up by the Ottomans. The reason they are a march is so that they can be protected.

Karaman, candar, trebizond, byz, serbia, albania............these are all small independant nations that should be gobbled up by ottos, but its possible to turn the tables. I think moldavia should start allied to poland, the same as provence in the france area. That way they have some time to figure out their own diplomacy and do their opening moves without getting eaten. It would be a lot more historically accurate.

All of those nations you mentioned almost always *do* get gobbled up within the first few decades. In my four hundred hours of playtime on EU4, I've only seen an AI Albania survive beyond 1500 once or twice.