how to institution?

[Jojojay]

i am a new player and do not understand institutions. playing as oman, i have recieved neither the renniscansce or colonization institution. i notice that this drastically raises my research cost. is there a way for me to get the institutions? do i just need to wait for them to spread to me? is the purpose of this just to gimp the research speed of non- europeans for historical accuracy?

[Salty Platypus]

If you look at the Insitution screen it tells you how each institution spreads and grows.
A quick way to gain an institution is to raise the development in a province. however this required the common sense DLC.

[Jojojay]

Originally posted by Salty Platypus:

If you look at the Insitution screen it tells you how each institution spreads and grows.
A quick way to gain an institution is to raise the development in a province. however this required the common sense DLC.

so i just spend thousands of influence raising the developement of my capital?

[Doctor Gualtieri]

https://eu4.paradoxwikis.com/Institutions

It will take a long long time for both of those to reach you from Europe. And you'll likely have problems with the Printing Press institution too.

What you need to do is develop your capital (or another province) until an instituion is present there and it will spread to other provinces. If you mouse over the development button on the province UI it should tell you how much insitutions % you get from each development point.

I think it's done this way to buff Europe yeah. It's tough to get an instituion outside of Europe until Manufacturies.

[freestyler-rs]

Originally posted by jojojay.martin:

Originally posted by Salty Platypus:

If you look at the Insitution screen it tells you how each institution spreads and grows.
A quick way to gain an institution is to raise the development in a province. however this required the common sense DLC.

so i just spend thousands of influence raising the developement of my capital?

yes, that's usually the best way. if you pile as many development cost modifiers on your capital as possible (farmland, center of trade, happy burghers, economic ideas, university, etc.), it gets cheaper. By raising the development, it's even possible to spawn colonialism in indonesia and the act of developing a province gives you progress for the next oldest institution you haven't embraced yet. Depending on your situation you could also try to accelerate the spread by having an advanced friendly neighbour or making some kind of institution spread path.

This system replaced the old tech group system where as non-european you had a constant negative modifier to your tech cost and hat to jump through a lot of painful hoops to remove it.

[CTHOMP]

Institutions are it as good a mechanic as the older method. They seem more confusing and a hassle. Just roll back to game version 1.17 or earlier and you can avoid them. The o my hummer is you miss out on some of the other new mechanics introduced. It's a shame yuou can deselect some features but keep others.

[priamossz]

by the way is there any trick to get around institutions as a native american? I tried to spawn it and it spreads but cant embrace them as I have not reformed the religion. also tried to spread it to a neighbour 1 province tribe so hopefully they automatically embrace it so I can reform the religion but no dice. Am I forced to wait till the europeans arrive near enough to me to reform?

[Kapika96]

Originally posted by priamossz:

by the way is there any trick to get around institutions as a native american? I tried to spawn it and it spreads but cant embrace them as I have not reformed the religion. also tried to spread it to a neighbour 1 province tribe so hopefully they automatically embrace it so I can reform the religion but no dice. Am I forced to wait till the europeans arrive near enough to me to reform?

Yep, you gotta wait for Europeans. Until you have a border with them you're stuck with what you've got.

[Jojojay]

Originally posted by AN:

Oman is in a position to island hop to Australia and make a colonial nation there, once you've done that it'll spread fairly quickly to all of your coastal provinces. Grabbing any coastal or inland centers of trade, but estuaries don't count, from around the arabian peninsula or east Africa will get global trade to spread pretty quickly once it pops, and anything later than that is building related.

To get renaissance or printing press in anything resembling a timely matter without force spawning them would require you to either attack the Mamluks while they're being devastated by the Ottomans and push your way along north Africa to get sea tile adjacency to Italian or Iberian land, or take the long way around the African coast and get to North Africa that way.

how does getting an island colony in australia help you get institutuions? i do not think i understand.

is the gameplay purpose of this simply to gimp non-europeans for historical accuracy?

[Zornvel]

The institutuions were much better than the westernization thing before. Renaissance and printing press will spawn in Europe but every other institutuions can spawn anywere if the requirements were met.
Colonialism can easy spwan in Asia (if played by a human)
Global Trade spawned in all my last games in China (AI)
Manufactories can spawn everywere
Enlightenment depends on the ruler, so also everywere

[freestyler-rs]

Originally posted by jojojay.martin:

Originally posted by AN:

Oman is in a position to island hop to Australia and make a colonial nation there, once you've done that it'll spread fairly quickly to all of your coastal provinces. Grabbing any coastal or inland centers of trade, but estuaries don't count, from around the arabian peninsula or east Africa will get global trade to spread pretty quickly once it pops, and anything later than that is building related.

To get renaissance or printing press in anything resembling a timely matter without force spawning them would require you to either attack the Mamluks while they're being devastated by the Ottomans and push your way along north Africa to get sea tile adjacency to Italian or Iberian land, or take the long way around the African coast and get to North Africa that way.

how does getting an island colony in australia help you get institutuions? i do not think i understand.

is the gameplay purpose of this simply to gimp non-europeans for historical accuracy?

he's possibly referring to the insitution spread bonusses that colonial nations get. I don't know whether it would work that way though. I think they only profit from their overlord and not the other way around.

And yes, the purpose of the system is to simulate the scientific advantage Europeans developed historically while also being able to simulate alternate realities because technically these cultural advances which facilitated innovation could also have developed in other parts of the globe. In fact 15th century China was a prime candidate before they gimped themselves by choosing isolation.

[Kapika96]

Originally posted by jojojay.martin:

Originally posted by AN:

Oman is in a position to island hop to Australia and make a colonial nation there, once you've done that it'll spread fairly quickly to all of your coastal provinces. Grabbing any coastal or inland centers of trade, but estuaries don't count, from around the arabian peninsula or east Africa will get global trade to spread pretty quickly once it pops, and anything later than that is building related.

To get renaissance or printing press in anything resembling a timely matter without force spawning them would require you to either attack the Mamluks while they're being devastated by the Ottomans and push your way along north Africa to get sea tile adjacency to Italian or Iberian land, or take the long way around the African coast and get to North Africa that way.

how does getting an island colony in australia help you get institutuions? i do not think i understand.

is the gameplay purpose of this simply to gimp non-europeans for historical accuracy?

It only helps with one institution, colonialism. If you have a colonial nation then you get colonialism growth every month in all of your port provinces. Plus if you can go a little further and discover the Americas then there's a chance colonialism will spawn in one of your provinces to begin with.

[Jojojay]

Originally posted by Kapika96:

Originally posted by jojojay.martin:

how does getting an island colony in australia help you get institutuions? i do not think i understand.

is the gameplay purpose of this simply to gimp non-europeans for historical accuracy?

It only helps with one institution, colonialism. If you have a colonial nation then you get colonialism growth every month in all of your port provinces. Plus if you can go a little further and discover the Americas then there's a chance colonialism will spawn in one of your provinces to begin with.

so i need to get the "exploration" idea set to colonise things to get colonialism?

[priamossz]

or ou can wait till its spread to you or provided you are not a native american you can develop for it

[freestyler-rs]

Originally posted by jojojay.martin:

Originally posted by Kapika96:

It only helps with one institution, colonialism. If you have a colonial nation then you get colonialism growth every month in all of your port provinces. Plus if you can go a little further and discover the Americas then there's a chance colonialism will spawn in one of your provinces to begin with.

so i need to get the "exploration" idea set to colonise things to get colonialism?

yes. Exploration is good as Oman anyways since you can easily colonize the spice islands and the additional navy forcelimit helps with redirecting the indian trade into your coffers and the additional merchants from colonial nations and trade companies can help you get very rich. You could even get treasure fleets from Mexico since that region is upstream from your trade node.