How to befriend hungary as poland

[Hawk Tuah Pyro]

They start out as a rival and i cant expand into teutonic lands without them declaring war on me. Does the polish hungarain friendship events fire automatically? Or do i need to do something?

[the_panther]

Restart until they are not your rival.

[kolätare]

Originally posted by the_panther:

Restart until they are not your rival.

Exactly that. There are no Polish-Hungarian friendship events at any point in the game, mainly for a balance but also to somewhat simulate the rivalry between the Hunyadis and Jagiellons over Hungarian throne.

[Medicles]

If you have Lithuania under PU, you can mark a province from Livonian Order as "vital interest", so Lithuania will start a claim on it. Then attack Livonian Order, which is usually only allied with Teutonic Order and Riga. Take Danzig and force the Teutons to give up their alliance with Hungary.

[Hawk Tuah Pyro]

Originally posted by Tea Age:

If you have Lithuania under PU, you can mark a province from Livonian Order as "vital interest", so Lithuania will start a claim on it. Then attack Livonian Order, which is usually only allied with Teutonic Order and Riga. Take Danzig and force the Teutons to give up their alliance with Hungary.

okay thanks

[ZeratulR]

The most obvious route to deal with Hungary if it starts rivaled to you is to ally other Hungarian rivals and beat the crap out of them (Hungarians, not rivals).

Originally posted by Tea Age:

If you have Lithuania under PU, you can mark a province from Livonian Order as "vital interest", so Lithuania will start a claim on it. Then attack Livonian Order, which is usually only allied with Teutonic Order and Riga. Take Danzig and force the Teutons to give up their alliance with Hungary.

No cb war again Livonians is an option as well.

[Medicles]

Originally posted by ZeratulR:

No cb war again Livonians is an option as well.

Sure, but why taking the stability hit and the immense ae when you can just wait for the claim? I would use no cb only as last option and even then i wouldnt be so sure. Playing safe is my game.

[ZeratulR]

Originally posted by Tea Age:

Originally posted by ZeratulR:

No cb war again Livonians is an option as well.

Sure, but why taking the stability hit and the immense ae when you can just wait for the claim? I would use no cb only as last option and even then i wouldnt be so sure. Playing safe is my game.

Yeah, I like to play it like a grandpa as well. ;)

[the_panther]

Originally posted by ZeratulR:

Yeah, I like to play it like a grandpa as well. ;)

Hey, that is insulting! I AM a grandpa...

But my original advice still stands, a restart is usually the best way to go to get the rivals you want.

I wish that there there was a feature that, other than historical rivals, there was a delay of a day at the start to allow a human player to pick the three rivals and the AI would follow suit.

Playing Moldavia recently, I restarted until Poland had both Hungary and Bohemia as rivals, which made an independence war winable after Poland attacked TO.

I mean Denmark? Really, how could Poland ever want Denmark as a rival over Hungary or Ottomans? Denmark is a natural ally for them instead.

[Hawk Tuah Pyro]

You can get someland off the the danes easily. I dont think you can easily win against the ottomans and get land

[ZeratulR]

Originally posted by the_panther:

Originally posted by ZeratulR:

Yeah, I like to play it like a grandpa as well. ;)

Hey, that is insulting! I AM a grandpa...

How can that possibly be insulting to anybody? I mean even if somebody implied something bad about being a grandpa (which I didn't), you still rock simply because you are a grandpa! ;)

I mean Denmark? Really, how could Poland ever want Denmark as a rival over Hungary or Ottomans? Denmark is a natural ally for them instead.

Well, it makes some sense historically. Denmark in its starting position is Sweden on steroids and Sweden was a pretty obvious rival for Poland. They didn't call it the Swedish deluge for nothing... In game terms it can be very profitable for the Commonwealth to take control of the Baltic trade, and you can't take control of the Baltic trade without beating up Denmark.

Originally posted by Anjew:

You can get someland off the the danes easily. I dont think you can easily win against the ottomans and get land

If my Big Blue Blob campaign attempts taught me anything it's that Denmark in its starting position (PU slaves and incredibly defensible geography) is, at the very least, not an easier target than Ottomans.

[RedT3rror]

Teutonic order is very unlikely to ally with hungary if you haven't picked TO as your rival.