Is EU4 Dying?

[Bogeyed]

Slowly over the months EU4 has been losing popularity first starting with the DLC money grab, as that recovered many of the players haven't. I feel EU4 as a whole is dying, the free updates are becoming non-existent but once again Paradox doesn't care AKA new expansion! Wow! If EU4 continues on this ♥♥♥♥♥♥ road it will soon be dead besides a few of it's most valued members.

[Kiryu]

I'll never understand people complaining about the DLCs, would they rather Paradox just not make any DLCs at all and just pump out games trying to make money? Or are they expecting basically free DLC at no cost? excellent business strategy free content and losing money!

[Bogeyed]

Messaggio originale di Papa Linor:

Messaggio originale di -hg- ♛ßogeyed♛ Fight Me NK:

Paradox always thinks about money and not the community, you do realize the entire game plus DLCs cost over 150$. I get better gameplay on CSGO for 15$. CSGO, Rimworld, Rust, PUBG all give free updates. Some DLC is fine but at this point all they want is quick cash grabs and it's annoying, many Youtubers agree with me.

Are you comparing a full on, hardcore strategy game to csgo or pubg? If you don't want the dlc don't buy them. You don't need to ♥♥♥♥♥ about it. The default game gives so much already and if you want more, great, then get more. A point you make in this comment is that you can buy so much with 150 dollars. The thing is though YOU DON'T NEED TO BUY 150 DOLLARS WORTH OF CONTENT TO PLAY EU4. But you do need to pay 30 dollars for pubg, a game full of bugs and ♥♥♥♥♥♥ content.

Before I get to the main argument, PUBG is in Alpha of course it's going to have bugs you idiot. Ok so here is the thing, when you take away features from the game and add it to a DLC it's annoying to have to buy it again. Half of these features they add should be added to the main ♥♥♥♥♥♥♥ game, it's almost as if they break the game so they can add a DLC (Which should be free content) to fix it. Sure they need money but at this point it's ♥♥♥♥♥♥♥ rediculous.

[Bogeyed]

Messaggio originale di 核 nuclear:

I'll never understand people complaining about the DLCs, would they rather Paradox just not make any DLCs at all and just pump out games trying to make money? Or are they expecting basically free DLC at no cost? :hillary: excellent business strategy free content and losing money!

I'm expecting them to release LESS DLC. It comes to a point where enough is a enough and it's too much, for EU4 at this point its too much and enough.

[Auslo]

Messaggio originale di -hg- ♛ßogeyed♛ Fight Me NK:

Messaggio originale di Papa Linor:

Are you comparing a full on, hardcore strategy game to csgo or pubg? If you don't want the dlc don't buy them. You don't need to ♥♥♥♥♥ about it. The default game gives so much already and if you want more, great, then get more. A point you make in this comment is that you can buy so much with 150 dollars. The thing is though YOU DON'T NEED TO BUY 150 DOLLARS WORTH OF CONTENT TO PLAY EU4. But you do need to pay 30 dollars for pubg, a game full of bugs and ♥♥♥♥♥♥ content.

Before I get to the main argument, PUBG is in Alpha of course it's going to have bugs you idiot. Ok so here is the thing, when you take away features from the game and add it to a DLC it's annoying to have to buy it again. Half of these features they add should be added to the main ♥♥♥♥♥♥♥ game, it's almost as if they break the game so they can add a DLC (Which should be free content) to fix it. Sure they need money but at this point it's ♥♥♥♥♥♥♥ rediculous.

where i don't really agree with you made a point some features like transfering occupation ( coming from arts of war ) should be added in the base game

[Dutchgamer1982]

Messaggio originale di Ficelle:

No matter what, it wont change

Physical supports are a thing of the past and DRMs are here to stay


Physical supports are a lot of extra costs
There isnt only the printing process, there is also the transportation, the distribution, the storage, commercial deals with many distributors in many different countries, guessing about future sales etc...

Plus, you cant patch or hotfix easily (if it involves downloading something, there is no point to physical support in the first place...)

Not counting some PC dont even have a DVD drive nowadays


DRM are there because nothing is as easy to steal / duplicate with no risk than digital work

Humans are what they are and most have quite low morality
If there is skills or risks involved in stealing, many stay away
If any Joe Moe can do it risk free, guess what happens...

Sure, if you dont live around digital work, you dont care, but if it is your living, thieves are thieves and they damage your income
Noone likes being stolen, so...DRM

Just like there is locks, codes, bank vaults, doors, alarms etc
Not because they are liked, but because there are millions of people who would rather take your stuff than pay for it

So, for DRMs, you know who you can thank
Yep, the morons who abused the easiness of duplication (not 1 from time to time, but thousands and thousands, sometimes even living from it...)


Also, you never own any artitsic work on any support

You can own a book, you still dont own what is written inside
Same for a film on DvD, you own the DvD, not the film

No drm have NOTHING to do with copyright protection.
-I can still pirate as easy games as I could before
-And one can easely argue that with DRM the value of the product for end users has degraded, making the pirated version actually superior.
-Console versions of the same games are still sold DRM free and they aren't suddenly mass copy'd, in fact most the growth of the gaming industry has come from these DRM free console versions. (a fact I recognise even though I dislike consoles)
-beside all that piracy is a good thing, research prooved that on average people who download more, spend more, the idea to count every pirated game as a lost sale is moronic
DRM was a scam to steam our consumer rights (and for us europeans who are used to excelent consumer rights as opposed to usa consumers, that felt like an even bigger step down)
-> in fact when steam first started to arive it was as a hated feature on some retail disks.. and to this day if any copy without steam (or other drm) exists I try to buy that over the ones with it.
steam-free copy's are more valueble, and steam to me is foremost drm, not a store.

Physical costs of distribution are a good thing (as is piracy) it serves as quality control.
-indeed most people will pirate a game first, or loan it from a friend.
That means that sales depend a lot more on mouth to mouth advertisement, and less on your marketing budget. The quality of a product matters much more than how it is percieved, and you cannot advertise your way out of an initial bad release.
-> it also means that if your product is bad recieved your compagny can fail much more quickly, and the upcosts keeps most the crappy games off the shelves, or forced them to be made better before release, none is going to invest such costs if it will not be well recieved.
-> it is a much fairer and punishing market, wher the risk of bankrupcy for a bad product is much more real.
-> piracy also give people a change to enjoy the product till price had dropped till a point where they would purchase.. meanwhile their experience would stimulate friends to try the same game..
=> yes it still is as easy to pirate as it was before, and in fact piracy has gone up, in various methods, many people I know including myself don't spend as much on software as we did meaning we buy not as many games and those we do we do no longer at release.. to compensate for the lower value of those games.

I full well get why compagny's defend drm, with them it is far less risky to enter the game market, one can far more easy get away with releasing a crappy product, even a bad recieved game might still earn revenue. But to the end user it removes a much needed quality check.
-> it had nothing to do with "those morons" it was a plain moneygrab by some, at the cost of the industry at large, the art of gaming, and user rights.

true with what you said for the dvd and book, but I can still return the book or dvd to the store, and/or secondhand trade them.

[Dutchgamer1982]

Messaggio originale di Rooter:

Dutch are you aware that you can account share on steam?
My kids do it, tho I havent investigated it in the slightest.

As an aside, in Australia it is legal to make a copy of a game u purchased, but u cannot copy any of the independently coprighted material contained within the game such as music or artwork.
Which negates the legality of copying the software,

Im at the opposite spectrum to you, simply for ease of use I much prefer steam than physical copies.
It is possibly quicker for me to download than to go to town and buy it.
Warhammer 2 (80gig) is about an hour download.

I have actually purchased games again when re released on steam to get away from my old 8 disk games from 10 years ago,

yes I can account share.... and when you do that, I cannot play say EU4, when those I share with want to play some entire other game from my library.
-> they cannot play my games when offline with the accounts I shared my game with.
-> if I play ANY of my games when online in steam, none of the accounts I share with, can play any of my games, they get a popup when playing them that in 5 minutes they will be closed down the second I boot up that game.
-> besides that I can only share with 5 people.. while well over 100 of my games are registrated at steam.
-> yes I can play myself in offline mode (if I not wish to play multiplayer that is for even LAN requires online mode for most games on steam), and allow one of them to play in online mode.
-> however even then, they cannot all 5 play a different of the games I own on my account, one has to have different accounts for that.

And it still doesn't restore my right to secondhand trade and right of return. -> this is where DRM pisses me off the most. I sometimes like to aquire old 2d hand copy's of pc games especially older titles.. if for nothing else for the artwok in the boxes, like I prefer the vanilla releases of expantion packs over the gold edition of the game.

[Laladen]

I’m expecting MORE DLC. They are quite profitable.

Third Rome was a test of a micro DLC. It worked. Expect more. I have $$$ just waiting for the next one

I’m having a blast playing the new content

[p]

I'm neutral on Paradoxes DLC Price and ♥♥♥♥

On one hand, demanding for lower, if not, free updates and DLC is stupid, its like saying "I payed for the MAIN MEAL, I EXPECT to get the deseart for FREE"

But on the other hands, £15 isn't worth it for say the Art of War DLC.

[of Anwyl]

Messaggio originale di ☢✯☭Tsar Bomba☭✯☢:

I'm neutral on Paradoxes DLC Price and ♥♥♥♥

On one hand, demanding for lower, if not, free updates and DLC is stupid, its like saying "I payed for the MAIN MEAL, I EXPECT to get the deseart for FREE"

But on the other hands, £15 isn't worth it for say the Art of War DLC.

Buy it on sale then. That way both parties are satisfied.

[p]

Messaggio originale di of Anwyl (Adv_Blitz):

Messaggio originale di ☢✯☭Tsar Bomba☭✯☢:

I'm neutral on Paradoxes DLC Price and ♥♥♥♥

On one hand, demanding for lower, if not, free updates and DLC is stupid, its like saying "I payed for the MAIN MEAL, I EXPECT to get the deseart for FREE"

But on the other hands, £15 isn't worth it for say the Art of War DLC.

Buy it on sale then. That way both parties are satisfied.

Waiting for up to months isn't worth the time.

[kaiyl_kariashi]

If you don't care enough for it to be worth the time, then the dlc offers literally nothing you care about.

[p]

Messaggio originale di kaiyl_kariashi:

If you don't care enough for it to be worth the time, then the dlc offers literally nothing you care about.

Some DLC do though, you can't decide my opinion, I just don't think the price and time is worth even the best of DLC.

[of Anwyl]

Messaggio originale di ☢✯☭Tsar Bomba☭✯☢:

Messaggio originale di of Anwyl (Adv_Blitz):

Buy it on sale then. That way both parties are satisfied.

Waiting for up to months isn't worth the time.

Not worth the time? You don't have to just stare at your computer screen for months and do nothing else but check the price tag, just foret abou EUIV for a while then on either the black friday sale or the christmas sale pick up all the dlcs you want at once.