Is it possible to go Ottoman --> Byzantium?

[Manski]

Or is there no chance of doing that?

[Omniconda]

Ottoman - Croatia - Byzantium

cant do it directly

[Super Elitist Clan Member]

maybe by culture shifting

[Quicksilver]

can also do it via arabia

[the_panther]

There is not much point in doing that, as the Basileus achievment cannot be done this way.

If you want to play as christian Ottomans, it is super easy to convert to Coptic and this can be done very early in the run. This also has the added advantage in that the Deus Vult CB allows you to attack any European nation easily.

You can convert to Orthodox even easier, but Coptic is a better religion because the 5 religious bonuses all stack.

However, you do need the Cossacks DLC to do this conversion really fast since it uses the Dhimmi estate to get guaranteed religious revolts.

[Manski]

Originally posted by the_panther:

There is not much point in doing that, as the Basileus achievment cannot be done this way.

If you want to play as christian Ottomans, it is super easy to convert to Coptic and this can be done very early in the run. This also has the added advantage in that the Deus Vult CB allows you to attack any European nation easily.

You can convert to Orthodox even easier, but Coptic is a better religion because the 5 religious bonuses all stack.

However, you do need the Cossacks DLC to do this conversion really fast since it uses the Dhimmi estate to get guaranteed religious revolts.

Nah I just want to do it for fun and not to get the achievement. But thanks

[the_panther]

Because I am intrigued by this, I looked it up. You need to:
1. Culture shift to Greek or Pontic.
2, Be Orthodox.
3. Not be the Ottomans or the HRE or the RE.

According to the Wiki which says current through 1.18.

Obviously, this is pretty tough since you have to switch twice. Even Greece cannot be formed by the Ottomans. Pontic is a terrible choice since Trezibond apparently cannot be reformed once annexed.

It looks to me like the easiest route is to:
1. Annex Byzantium
2. Annex Wallachia.
3. Promote Romanian culture to accepted status.
4. Convert to Orthodox using the existing Dhimmi controlled provinces.
5. Culture shift Turkish provinces to Romanian.
6. Form Romania.
7. Culture shift Romanian/Turkish provinces to Greek.
8. Form Byzantium.

Of course, you can always cheese it by annexing Byzantium, then releasing and using the play as button.

[Manski]

Originally posted by the_panther:

Because I am intrigued by this, I looked it up. You need to:
1. Culture shift to Greek or Pontic.
2, Be Orthodox.
3. Not be the Ottomans or the HRE or the RE.

According to the Wiki which says current through 1.18.

Obviously, this is pretty tough since you have to switch twice. Even Greece cannot be formed by the Ottomans. Pontic is a terrible choice since Trezibond apparently cannot be reformed once annexed.

It looks to me like the easiest route is to:
1. Annex Byzantium
2. Annex Wallachia.
3. Promote Romanian culture to accepted status.
4. Convert to Orthodox using the existing Dhimmi controlled provinces.
5. Culture shift Turkish provinces to Romanian.
6. Form Romania.
7. Culture shift Romanian/Turkish provinces to Greek.
8. Form Byzantium.

Of course, you can always cheese it by annexing Byzantium, then releasing and using the play as button.

That is really helpful thank you so much :D

[the_panther]

Your welcome!

A couple more thoughts:

1. Do not accept the Constantinople decision as that converts the culture. You want that province to stay Greek.
2. You can award and then retract Orthodox provinces to the Dhimmi estate. When the estate is disloyal, it spawns a religious rebel army.
3. Hide your army and let the rebels swarm.
4. Don't give in to the rebels until it auto accepts at 100%. They will convert much of your Sunni land for you.

[Fellini_Fiend]

Also you don't necessarily have to culture convert any or not many provinces just get rid of estates in some provinces so you can make them no longer be states because the amount of land that is located in states is what matters. Territorial land count for nothing when it comes to accepting/promoting cultures. Just unstate enough land until a specific culture you want to culture shift to gets to 50%.

[the_panther]

Originally posted by Fellini_Fiend87:

Also you don't necessarily have to culture convert any or not many provinces just get rid of estates in some provinces so you can make them no longer be states because the amount of land that is located in states is what matters. Territorial land count for nothing when it comes to accepting/promoting cultures. Just unstate enough land until a specific culture you want to culture shift to gets to 50%.

This is a really good idea, and I actually never thought of doing that!

Does the converting back to states later cost the admin points again, or do you pay this cost only once?

[Fellini_Fiend]

Originally posted by the_panther:

Originally posted by Fellini_Fiend87:

Also you don't necessarily have to culture convert any or not many provinces just get rid of estates in some provinces so you can make them no longer be states because the amount of land that is located in states is what matters. Territorial land count for nothing when it comes to accepting/promoting cultures. Just unstate enough land until a specific culture you want to culture shift to gets to 50%.

This is a really good idea, and I actually never thought of doing that!

Does the converting back to states later cost the admin points again, or do you pay this cost only once?

Yes, unfortunately it does cost admin points to recore land you remake into states. But if you still have the Ottomans' national ideas then thats not really an issue. Anyway its all worth it in the end. Tag switching is a big deal if you want to form some nations with specific ones and sometimes it takes a few tag switches. Ming to Yuan for example takes quite a few because you can't do it directly and while recoring all of China is a little big of a pain in the ass it's really not that bad because you have Yuan's national idea that makes coring cheaper and I would assume you would already have the coring cost reduction idea of admin ideas by then. I had a raelly good WC attempt as Yuan but I got so bored by the time I had much of Europe conquered and had to be on permanent 200% overextension. It got frustrating to have to deal with all the rebels on top of the last people I had to attack.