Destroy center of reformations

[Demien]

Do you usually annex provinces until you get the prov with CoR? Because i don't see other way to destroy those protestants when they are entrenched in the ♥♥♥♥♥♥♥ middle of HRE. I have all of them there. Jesus Christ. Trying to get some center nation with marriage but no luck so far. Force religion doesn't work so don't suggest it.

[the_panther]

The easiest way is to remove all provinces from the nation except for the one with the CoR. You can capture them, release as vassals, give to allies, whatever.

Once the heretic enemy nation is down to a single province containing the CoR (or even possibly 2 provinces if the CoR in located in the capitol), then simply force them to change religion in the final war. The capitol province immediately converts and the CoR simply disappears.

The key is that the CoR MUST be located in the capitol province to get force religion to work.

Alternatively, you can capture the CoR province and use religion ideas plus the advisor and the mission choices to get additional conversion percentages. Eventually, with enough patience, you will be able to overcome the 5% malus and convert it.

[Demien]

Originally posted by the_panther:

The easiest way is to remove all provinces from the nation except for the one with the CoR. You can capture them, release as vassals, give to allies, whatever.

Once the heretic enemy nation is down to a single province containing the CoR (or even possibly 2 provinces if the CoR in located in the capitol), then simply force them to change religion in the final war. The capitol province immediately converts and the CoR simply disappears.

The key is that the CoR MUST be located in the capitol province to get force religion to work.

Alternatively, you can capture the CoR province and use religion ideas plus the advisor and the mission choices to get additional conversion percentages. Eventually, with enough patience, you will be able to overcome the 5% malus and convert it.

That's a good advice. Thanks

[Omniconda]

most nations in the HRE are small enought that forcing religion in peace will be enough without taking land for 1-3 povince minors you can usually do this with proxy wars also to avoid alliance chains

[Demien]

Ok i have done it. Now i feel that if i force religion big nations like Bohemia they will just turn it back to protestant in a few years. Do i need to take their provinces?

[Omniconda]

if they dont have a a nearby reformation center their provinces can only flip via event.
just check every few years incase a new centre has formed you only really need to take land if they are to big to force convert

[Demien]

Originally posted by Omnious:

if they dont have a a nearby reformation center their provinces can only flip via event.
just check every few years incase a new centre has formed you only really need to take land if they are to big to force convert

Mmmm actually they can go back to state religion Protestant and that's enough. Force religion change only the capital religion dude.

[Omniconda]

no force religion changes thier state religion and they then convert the rest

[Demien]

Originally posted by Omnious:

no force religion changes thier state religion and they then convert the rest

I witnessed more than one nations change back their religion state after i forced them. Why? Because they had too many pronvinces protestant.

[Omniconda]

thats possible if they didnt convert the rest fast enough or they got religious rebels that converted provinces back again.

could also be another nearby centre of reformation, events,

Ive just united the HRE in my current game (5 time total) having destroyed 3 centres of reformation and converting all but 5 back to catholic preventing the league from every starting
2 near coasts converted by England and sweden
2 via event that where not worth the alliance chain to attack
1 free city that i didnt want to revoke free city status for 5IA

War force religion and if you have the diplo slots free Mil access if you expect they cant cope with rebels - or start another war elsewhere for access if you need to go helkp them out

[the_panther]

Originally posted by Demien:

Ok i have done it. Now i feel that if i force religion big nations like Bohemia they will just turn it back to protestant in a few years. Do i need to take their provinces?

If the CoR is not in the capitol, force religion pretty much does no good since they will eventually just convert back with the Center or by rebels. For small countries, they might be able to stay Catholic by converting all their provinces. Even then, a nearby CoR might just eventually change them back.

Getting rid of the CoRs is always the top priority to make it fully permanent.

Also, the nation has to be low enough development to annex, as the peace treaty costs for annexation, vassalization, and force religion are all the same base value.

Therefore, a large nation like Bohemia will require several wars to beat them down to size to eventually have them really change their religious ways permanently.