How does map knowledge travel through the game?

[equinox1911]

http://steamcommunity.com/sharedfiles/filedetails/?id=835180475

Yeah, i'still can't see the new world and a bunch of other places. Though it is not a real concern atm i am really confused on how on how i can get the map uncovered without exploration.
Before the espionage revamp it they just "traveled" through tech groups with a 50 year or so delay, but i haven't seen a real pattern on how it works since then.

Does anyone know how it currently works? I'ts quite annoying that you don't get the maps from the people you completly eat up and i fear that i might have to pick exploration just to uncover the sea to travel to the new world :S

[c00lizz]

It still travels through tech groups but a lot more slowly for non-western countries because it's not possible to change your tech group anymore.

The alternative are the share maps and steal maps diplomatic interactions.

[equinox1911]

Originally posted by c00lizz:

The alternative are the share maps and steal maps diplomatic interactions.

Two problems with that mechanic, first of all 50 spy network is a LOT and then there is the requirement that you have to have units in the region or bordering it (not sure which).

I think that system is barely working as it is right now...

[c00lizz]

The units bordering is easy, just have a lone trade ship goto the coast and then come back.

As for the cost in spy network or prestige, that really depends on your situation. If you are depending on claims for CBs then stealing maps isn't really an option yeah but if you are say a horde, or using the religious cbs then you probably have the spare diplomats.

A fairly easy way if you are doing a WC or any other gameplan that gives you a lot of prestige is if you are at war with someone at the edge of the known world just make them release an OPM, that OPM will love you enough to share all their maps with you.

[equinox1911]

Yeah you are right, releasing a country will be the only option to get a christian to share maps with me at this point. But as you can see i don't really have spare prestige as i have to drop the babies into the bosphorus all the time to keep the jannissaries :D

The weird thing is that i can see parts of south america but not a way over the atlantic.
Well i have another like 20-30 years of downtime before my edgame push will start so i guess i'll have to to do the release thing with some saved up prestige and a few sacrificial boats.

[Findus]

Ignore the colonies if you are already blobbing out of control in the old world. You are going to make more money trading there either way if you control it all.

[equinox1911]

Originally posted by Findus:

Ignore the colonies if you are already blobbing out of control in the old world. You are going to make more money trading there either way if you control it all.

Europe is done, literally only england, spain and bohemia exist as independent nations. Making money isn't the motivation...