i play as matchu tribe, and whole razing province proccess seems counter intuitive...

[Iggy]

how often should i raze, what should i raze.
i know if my horde unity goes around 50 i will have huge penalties.

[Kaiser]

You could raze provinces you annexed to lower coring cost. Thats about it from me,I dont have the cossacks dlc.

[shoki]

Since it gives monarch points and money aswell, i would say you should always raze (only exception may be the manchu culture provinces to raise more banner)

[c00lizz]

You should ALWAYS raze. The only time you should ever stop to think about it is when it's your own culture.

[Iggy]

how about rushing for early goverment reform?

[c00lizz]

You can, and it makes for a simpler game, but as long as you got land to conquer then horde is one of the strongest, if not the strongest, goverments there is.

Also, as an added bonus, being a horde makes Ming MASSIVELY easier to kill because they get a disaster if they have a large manchu tribe on their border who isn't a tributary.

[Iggy]

i always wanted to learn to play a horde, but its just seems way too wastefull for my taste :P, i saw people do some aweasome stuff with hordes..

[veryhungryperson]

Originally posted by ᵂʰᵃˡᵉ:

i always wanted to learn to play a horde, but its just seems way too wastefull for my taste :P, i saw people do some aweasome stuff with hordes..

Hordes have to constantly be at war in order to maintain unity. If the razing mechanics did not exist then they would have no chance as they would constantly run dry of admin points and unless they had god leaders, which lets face it isn't going to happen with all those succession crisis'.

Being unable to take extra land because you can't core it or being forced to sit on uncored land, waiting for seperatists to pop up from overextention all the time watching as you fall even further behind in admin tech and knowing that you'll just have to tank it becuase the horde demands another war soon.

It's not that wasteful, it's the most efficent way to stay at war as they are required to do. I've recently gotten into the hordes and am entertained by the constant tetering on the edge feeling you get when your playing one.

[OscarTheGrouchiest]

Playing as a Horde (with Cossacks dlc) is actually the least wastefull way to play. :) You get a fantastic cb from the get-go, where you don't have to pay diplo to get unclaimed provences. After you conquered provences, you can get monarch point from razing them. Which also makes the development of the land lower, so you get mp and reduce the cost to coring it at the same time.

This also means you can conquer more than 100% in overextension, because after razing the land the overextension will go down because the development of the provences goes down.

And thanks to getting all those mp points, one could (at least before the new tech changes, haven't played with a Horde yet in those) actually have better tech than the west, because you just pay the penalty costs and don't really care because you have more mp than is good for you.

[Fellini_Fiend]

Raze EVERY time. It's that simple. You need to be at war A LOT of the time to keep horse unity up especially as you grow. You can afford to not be at war early in the game but eventually you have to get back to it because steppe nomads tend to have really bad provinces so keeping your armies maintained gets pretty expensive. Don't forget to loot provinces while warring with them. This is another way to get horse unity up during a war plus it keeps your deficit from getting to high as you have your armies fully maintained.

I recommend taking economic ideas as your first idea group, it's pretty much a must for steppe nomads because it makes you have cheaper troops makes loans less painful and you get a boost to your taxes. And lastly I would recommend eventually moving your capital to the European continent and don't reform your government until you do so. Having your capital in Europe allows you to be able to become a revolutionary republic once it's 1750 or later. And believe me that government type is 100x greater than any government type you reform to via the decision button you get once you have a ton of admin points stored up, +3 stab and economic/administrative/innovative ideas finished. I did this as the Golden Horde a while back and becoming the Revolutionary Golden Horde was one of the most satisfying times I've had in this game and certainly was the most overpowered I've ever felt in this game that even more so than playing a normal Ottoman or France game.

Diplo free land from being steppe nomad and then becoming a massively overpowered republic after setting myself up to that point as a massive empire made the game a piece of cake to stomp on everybody I fought.