Forming Roman Empire as Ottomans?

[Skooming Johnners]

Just wondering what the general strategy is and how hard it is, was thinking about converting to coptic and then just conquering europe.

[Shampagen]

Try Comptomans, it'll be easy to get your patriarchal blessings.

[mischa.zehnbauer]

Start with the usual war for Constantinople and form Empire. This can only be done as sunni Ottomans, so don't miss that! After that you can either

a) convert directly
Don't take your sunni cores back or any other Muslim land. You can vasallize those anatolian minors and later annex them for 0 costs, but convert first. Coptic is a great choice, but orthodox or catholic work as well

b) beat down Mamelukes first using the missions to conquer levante and egypt
You gain less AE with Muslim countries as long as you didn't change your faith and you also gain 400 Admin points for holding Damascus,Cairo, Jerusalem and Alexandria. On the other hand, converting will take more time that way, as your new faith needs to be present in the majority of provinces.

Once you've changed religion, it's all about blobbing in the right directions while avoiding coalitions. Use your missions to conquer the rest of Egypt and Northern Africa or simply take religious idea group and deus vult! your way west towards the Iberian Peninsula. France will usually be very happy to help you, but remember that you will have to betray them at some point. Keep an eye open for PUs, but don't count on them.

Ottomans might be the easiest nation to form the Roman Empire, but you will still have to fight France, Spain, Portugal, England and probably Austria at some point. Ottos are surely strong enough to do so, but that doesn't mean it's going to be a trivial task.

[Findus]

Originally posted by mischa.zehnbauer:

a) convert directly
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...but you cant change religion directly as sunni. Has to be through rebels or some other exploit.

[erneiz]

I find that if you lag on taking back your Anatolian cores those little nations will manage to form an impressive web of alliance so it's best you take them early. I often take them first (and Albania if they failed to ally Hungary) before taking Constantinople.
As for the Roman Empire goal, I did it once with Orthomans. It's easy to convert because you already have a lot of Orthodox province. For Coptomans, don't go through Egypt (yet). Instead, go for Armenian land, there are some Coptic provinces there. Once you have some Coptic provinces, provoke Dhimmi estate rebels and let them convert the majority of your provinces. Be careful and liberate some of the rebel occupied lands though because you don't want them enforcing demands prematurely.

[mischa.zehnbauer]

Originally posted by Findus:

Originally posted by mischa.zehnbauer:

a) convert directly
.

...but you cant change religion directly as sunni. Has to be through rebels or some other exploit.

Sorry, of course I meant "go through the process of letting rebels convert you to another faith".
I thought that was clear.

[Cortez]

Originally posted by mischa.zehnbauer:

Originally posted by Findus:

...but you cant change religion directly as sunni. Has to be through rebels or some other exploit.

Sorry, of course I meant "go through the process of letting rebels convert you to another faith".
I thought that was clear.

Well word ''directly'' perhaps got him confused. I got confused a bit too, so use that word a bit more carefully next time.

[mischa.zehnbauer]

Sure, I will try to remember.

Originally posted by erneiz:

I find that if you lag on taking back your Anatolian cores those little nations will manage to form an impressive web of alliance so it's best you take them early. I often take them first (and Albania if they failed to ally Hungary) before taking Constantinople.

While I never had problems dealing with them, you can attack them early of course. Just don't take the cores, but vasallize them instead. I usually diplo vasallize the one that allies mamelukes and one in the north-east and feed them the rest.

[erneiz]

I don't really get why not though. It's easy enough to convert using rebels that sacrificing a diplo slot for it seems like a waste. You will need to convert those lands anyway.

[Sir Slasher]

couse u need 50% to convent

[Cortez]

Originally posted by Sir Slasher:

couse u need 50% to convent

[mischa.zehnbauer]

It's not necessairy, but more convenient. You don't have to hope for rebels taking the right provinces and follow them around to prevent them from breaking your country instead of converting. The only alliance I ever nurished as Ottomans is France, so diplo-slots is usually not a big problem until conversion is done.

[erneiz]

And I'm saying that's not worth the diplo slot used because it is very easy to convert more than 50% of your land using rebels in the first place.
edit:ninja'd.

[mischa.zehnbauer]

It works as well, of course. Personall I prefer to go for Catholomans for HRE game, as I experienced Coptomans to be about as boring as regular Ottomans, so I actually like having to converting the levante manually.

[Halala]

Originally posted by mischa.zehnbauer:

It's not necessairy, but more convenient. You don't have to hope for rebels taking the right provinces and follow them around to prevent them from breaking your country instead of converting. The only alliance I ever nurished as Ottomans is France, so diplo-slots is usually not a big problem until conversion is done.

Instead of taking back provinces just stay in some ♥♥♥♥♥♥ war so rebels can't force demands. They can basically convert everything this way before breaking country.

[mischa.zehnbauer]

True, but you can't accept their demands either, or can you? What happens once you finish the war? I always suspected you break imediately, but I never tried.