Whats so bad about "concede defeat"?

[Paragon]

Title. I noticed after a massive coalition punitive war (show superiority) as the defender that this warscore option only had me lose 10 prestige if I took it, and make the attacker gain 10. Me and my allies had alreadly invested 100,000 lives into this war, and made the enemy invest 300,000 and a crapload of debt (poor Venice was at -1,400 ducats at worst), so I wouldn't settle for it, but what does it "do"?

I would be really shocked/pissed if we could have avoided a half million deaths and five-thousand ducat war over a net change of 20 prestige spread across dozens of countries.

[Baldrick]

It's basically an acceptance of a stalemate. The other side doesn't believe they'll get a decisive victory, but they want you to admit you lost. Unless you see the chance to strike back and win, this seems a great option to me.

[Paragon]

Originally posted by Baldrick:

It's basically an acceptance of a stalemate. The other side doesn't believe they'll get a decisive victory, but they want you to admit you lost. Unless you see the chance to strike back and win, this seems a great option to me.

So basically "sure, we'll say you won if it makes you bugger off sooner".

[Baldrick]

Bingo. It's the cheapest possible peace that still counts as a "win". Only downside is that the truce timer will be rather short, but 5 years or so should be fine to get relations up with a few coalition members to weaken it, if it even holds up for a second strike.

[tiberiansun371alexw]

I'm surprised you managed to get them to bugger off with conceed defeat. Usually, an AI that declared war on you won't take anything less than 30% worth of warscore stuff in the first 3 years. Usually I have to wait 3 years to conceed defeat. Unless you're winning in which case the AI will take anything in its favor even when it's reluctant for a white peace. But if you're winning, then you don't have a problem.

[xXxHussarxXx]

Originally posted by tiberiansun371alexw:

I'm surprised you managed to get them to bugger off with conceed defeat. Usually, an AI that declared war on you won't take anything less than 30% worth of warscore stuff in the first 3 years. Usually I have to wait 3 years to conceed defeat. Unless you're winning in which case the AI will take anything in its favor even when it's reluctant for a white peace. But if you're winning, then you don't have a problem.

Yeah tbh coalitions are too stubborn in peace deals even if you're clearly winning

[Paragon]

Originally posted by xXxHussarxXx:

Originally posted by tiberiansun371alexw:

I'm surprised you managed to get them to bugger off with conceed defeat. Usually, an AI that declared war on you won't take anything less than 30% worth of warscore stuff in the first 3 years. Usually I have to wait 3 years to conceed defeat. Unless you're winning in which case the AI will take anything in its favor even when it's reluctant for a white peace. But if you're winning, then you don't have a problem.

Yeah tbh coalitions are too stubborn in peace deals even if you're clearly winning

I just keep my troops at home and swarm the enemy deep in friendly territory to try for stackwipes. Very good at raising war exhaustion, and understandably so. Unless I want something from the war leader (or they are easily seiged down) its usually best to just draw out the war and let your enemies succumb to attrition, manpower shortages, loans, and war exhaustion. I'm a huge trade power too, and have even supported a rebel uprising within a country while at war with it. Very good for making the AI piss itself.

I've had 2 coalition wars on me so far, and both of them had the enemy lose 3-4 times as many soldiers as I have. Somehow they still have boatloads of manpower though, and i'm scraping the barrel for each and every single peasant I can muster. The AI are always in serious debt by the end though.

[Gramarye]

How do you check how much debt the AI is in?

[Yxklyx]

Originally posted by Gramarye:

How do you check how much debt the AI is in?

You mean how many loans they have? Go to the Score ledger. Under Administrative there will be a loan modifier. Each loan is -0.02.

[Paragon]

Originally posted by Yxklyx:

Originally posted by Gramarye:

How do you check how much debt the AI is in?

You mean how many loans they have? Go to the Score ledger. Under Administrative there will be a loan modifier. Each loan is -0.02.

I actually have a mod that shows how much debt the AI is in under a tooltip. It basically just takes the great power "pay off foreign debt" screen and makes it visible (with no interactions unless you are a great power), to any nation that requests it.

You can estimate enemy loan amount by their size. The formula is 0.5x development multiplied by 1 + diplomatic tech trade power bonus. So early game its 0.5x total development, mid its around 0.75x, and late game 1x.