Question about Counter Damage and Old Leo Ring

[gtgiygus]

Counter Damage is when you hit an enemy while they are swinging their weapon, right?

I read that Poise damage is also increased with counter damage, but for an unknown amount. Is it known if the ring gives you more poise damage as well?

What are peoples opinions on counter damage, worth the risk or not? With an Estoc or Scimitar, lets say.

[intelligent rat]

I build most of my characters with a rapier and dex and then soul vessel later, Leo Ring is definitely an essential for the thrusting sword user. The extra damage is definitely noticable

[Zamus]

It only works for thrust attacks so the scimitar would get no benefit and only the poking moves of the Estoc will get benefited.

For PvP I would say it's worth it, thanks to lag you can land counter attacks easier, for PvE it also works though I find it harder on some enemies since they can tank and poise through your attacks more easily than a human, plus you can't trade hits with all enemies because you would quickly run out of healing items.

[Grad]

leo ring helps noticably with that lance from the giant memory. That lance is good on its own though haha

i was under the impression (and corect me if im wrong) but isnt counter dmg any dmg dealt while they are in an attack animation? could be before they hit you and just after they hit while they reset?

[Incomparable Groan]

Counter damage is if you attack an enemy during an attack animation. The damage bonus from the ring is definitely noticeable, especially on weapons that already have high counter bonuses.
Keep in mind that Old Leo just affect the counter damage of THRUSTING attacks though.

Due to the damage increase of your counter attacks you will receive a minimal amount of poise damage boost on your counter attacks for using the ring, but it is hardly noticeable and the ring won't give you any sort of bonus for regular attacks.

If you're using a thrusting weapon you'll definitely want to have the leo ring though. Doesn't matter if you're doing PVE, or PVP.

In PVE, a lot of bosses and enemies have stupidly long and flashy attack animations, and you'll be receiving counter attack bonuses for attacking them throughout the whole animation. The damage stacks up *really* fast. Just make sure you're not standing in front of them, as that never seems to get a happy ending.

For PVP, Old Leo Ring + Stone Ring along with any fast attacking thrusting weapon (Spear/Rapier) is pretty much auto win. Just wait for them to do the first move and counter them to death in the first combo.

[gtgiygus]

Sounds great, thanks for the info! Hopefully I won't run into someone with Havel's Set and Giant Dragon tooth...

[Grad]

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Sounds great, thanks for the info! Hopefully I won't run into someone with Havel's Set and Giant Dragon tooth...

the dragon tooth is one of the easiest things to avoid....especially after fighting Havel with just an un-upgraded bandit dagger in DkS1. Slow but very unforgiving if you get hit by it haha

[Akrasia]

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Sounds great, thanks for the info! Hopefully I won't run into someone with Havel's Set and Giant Dragon tooth...

the dragon tooth is one of the easiest things to avoid....especially after fighting Havel with just an un-upgraded bandit dagger in DkS1. Slow but very unforgiving if you get hit by it haha

Easy as heck to avoid... until Lag happens and you're suddenly pancaked.

[Grad]

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Easy as heck to avoid... until Lag happens and you're suddenly pancaked.

haha, true that. Let's hope they fix the multiplayer aspect of the game with Sins. If they do i'm throwing my money at them without question