[Lore Related] How powerful is Alsanna?

[SilverKnight]

After going through Eleum Loyce in NG+ with the event when you first approach the gate with the beam coming down from the sky I had an epiphany regarding Alsanna...

If Alsanna is capable of casting that random beam or is the source of the blizzard shrouding Eleum Loyce, would that mean she would be the most powerful among the Children of Dark?

Sure, she is the most frail compared to the other three we encountered but would that also make sense with the lore that the smallest fragments or the dark would be the first to take shape as soon as they knew of their frailty and would be the earliest to gain power?

It was just a sudden, random though for today. :|

[SilverKnight]

Originally posted by Dr Papanak:

P.S. 2 hours and no replies while other gameplay posts have so much attention.

I really hate how people only see gameplay in this game instead of lore which is the best part of it for me.

Well, I guess they don't bother too much about the lore. I loved the lore of DS1 and 2 and loved to make connections. Like since the Old Chaos (previously called Lost Izalith in DS1) is found under Lordran, would that mean the Walls of Eleum Loyce were what remains of Lordran after all those years? :|

And I know the other Queens aren't exactly weaker. I'm just astonished that Alsanna's powers were capable of covering all of Eleum Loyce. Something which she seems to do on her own.

And yeah, I forgot about Nadalia. If she werw whole, she might be even more powerful than we could ever think off. Imagine that in a boss battle.

[Azryte]

Originally posted by Erik Jay:

Originally posted by Dr Papanak:

P.S. 2 hours and no replies while other gameplay posts have so much attention.

I really hate how people only see gameplay in this game instead of lore which is the best part of it for me.

Well, I guess they don't bother too much about the lore. I loved the lore of DS1 and 2 and loved to make connections. Like since the Old Chaos (previously called Lost Izalith in DS1) is found under Lordran, would that mean the Walls of Eleum Loyce were what remains of Lordran after all those years? :|

There are actually a few similarities between Eleum Loyce and Anor Londo beyond the walls though I'm unsure if they're all deliberate: Knights clad in silver armour some of whom were charred black by chaos (Though the black knights remained loyal to Gwyn), both rulers were consumed by fire, both have a great cathedral with a "child" inside (Bit of a stretch), both have a spell over them maintained by the only person of power left (The storm of EL by Alsanna and the illusion of AL by Gwyndolin) and how Ivory had seven pets where Gwyn had the four knights(Probable coincidence but hey). So there's a decent chance you're right, though if that were the case then why did Iron get Gwyn's soul where Ivory has more in common? Unless Iron keep is built over the kiln of the first flame or something?

[Legas]

Originally posted by Dr Papanak:

Also there is a high chance that Eleum Loyce Knights and the Ivory King are female.It is stated that they never removed their helmets and the Eleum Knights armor has feminine constitution and you get a hidden buff similar to Ring of the Evil Eye if your character is female and wears their armor.

Also Ivory King helmet has a female face on it.

While it's true that Loyce Knights look female, the wiki states that the buff you get from Loyce Armor is:

When you kill an enemy, you get life akin to Ring of Evil Eye if the enemy is of opposite sex of you.

Since 99% of the enemies are male, it just looks like it only works if you're female.

I haven't test it and the wiki might be wrong.

[SilverKnight]

Originally posted by Azryte:

There are actually a few similarities between Eleum Loyce and Anor Londo beyond the walls though I'm unsure if they're all deliberate: Knights clad in silver armour some of whom were charred black by chaos (Though the black knights remained loyal to Gwyn), both rulers were consumed by fire, both have a great cathedral with a "child" inside (Bit of a stretch), both have a spell over them maintained by the only person of power left (The storm of EL by Alsanna and the illusion of AL by Gwyndolin) and how Ivory had seven pets where Gwyn had the four knights(Probable coincidence but hey). So there's a decent chance you're right, though if that were the case then why did Iron get Gwyn's soul where Ivory has more in common? Unless Iron keep is built over the kiln of the first flame or something?

The Ivory King did make me wonder how the Old King Soul did find its way to the Old Iron King instead. But after comparing Seath to Freja and the Lost Sinner to The Witch of Izalith, I can say they don't exactly need to posses the Souls of the previous great ones to become a reincarnation of them. (Though the Rotten could be an exception)

I noticed the similarities between the two kingdoms after going through DS1 again, though I found the two kings as opposites. Where Lord Gwyn gave his own soul to selfishly extend his age of fire (and making the cycle of the undead curse), the IvoryKing selflessly gave his own life and soul to the Old Chaos to defend his kingdom and possibly the rest of Drangleic (Imagine seeing a Taurus Demon in the Forest of Fallen Giants if Chaos was allowed to spread).

I also just noticed the fact where there was once a great city called Izalith, now only lies an endless lava sink. I guess the Ivory King and his Knights did their job to the very end by bringing Izalith further underground else Demons might still be rampant.

Speaking of which, the Kiln of the First Flame was also underneath Lordran right as well as being somewhere close to Lost Izalith? If the Throne of Want was the Kiln, then how did it end up all the way to the other side of the world? :|

[SilverKnight]

The Theory doesn't seem to make sense since the Ivory King is from Forossa as stated from his Greatsword. Forossa existed alongside Drangleic but fell after a crushing defeat from wars with other neighboring kingdoms.

We also find present time Raime in Brume Tower. So yeah... :|

[Azryte]

Originally posted by Erik Jay:

I also just noticed the fact where there was once a great city called Izalith, now only lies an endless lava sink. I guess the Ivory King and his Knights did their job to the very end by bringing Izalith further underground else Demons might still be rampant.

Speaking of which, the Kiln of the First Flame was also underneath Lordran right as well as being somewhere close to Lost Izalith? If the Throne of Want was the Kiln, then how did it end up all the way to the other side of the world? :|

It does appear they took out Izalith but we have no idea what those portals are so maybe there's something beneath the flames, or its just game design overriding lore.

When talking about location keep in mind this is Drangleic, where a fortress sinking into a sea of molten iron is above a tower the top of which clearly can be seen, and a wharf is below a city collapsed into the ocean at least a mile (Viewing from Majula) from the coast a distance you do not even remotely go. That is to say where Lordran had convoluted time, Drangleic has convoluted space-time nonsense.

Originally posted by Artorias (Legas):

While it's true that Loyce Knights look female, the wiki states that the buff you get from Loyce Armor is:

When you kill an enemy, you get life akin to Ring of Evil Eye if the enemy is of opposite sex of you.

Since 99% of the enemies are male, it just looks like it only works if you're female.

I haven't test it and the wiki might be wrong.

It's only when female since health regen effects including evil eye ring and loyce armours add a red arrow/s under your health and stamina to show the buff is there, the arrow from the Loyce armour disappears when male but is there when female.

[SilverKnight]

Originally posted by Azryte:

It does appear they took out Izalith but we have no idea what those portals are so maybe there's something beneath the flames, or its just game design overriding lore.

When talking about location keep in mind this is Drangleic, where a fortress sinking into a sea of molten iron is above a tower the top of which clearly can be seen, and a wharf is below a city collapsed into the ocean at least a mile (Viewing from Majula) from the coast a distance you do not even remotely go. That is to say where Lordran had convoluted time, Drangleic has convoluted space-time nonsense.



It's only when female since health regen effects including evil eye ring and loyce armours add a red arrow/s under your health and stamina to show the buff is there, the arrow from the Loyce armour disappears when male but is there when female.

I personally believe that the Ivory King and his Knights did succeed since we no longer see Izalith city. But hey, we can play with the lore to find interesting facts right?

And I can confirm that the Loyce Set's life steal effect works only on female characters. Not the opposite gender idea. I wore the full loyce set on a male character and attacked the Desert Sorceress with no life steal at all. With a female character, the life steal is in effect regardless of what gender my target was. It's a bit unfair and might hint that the Knights could be female (Ivory King sure knows how to surround himself with women) but it doesn't matter since I don't wear the full set and the Kermit the Frog helm looks ridiculous.

Originally posted by Dr Papanak:

We don't know when Forossa fell.Only Forossan we meet is Vengral and he never states for whom he fought.He died in the Shaded Ruins and there is no reason for Vendricks men to fight there.Also we know nothing about the Lion Clan so they might have been Lion Knights themselves.

Raime came after Nadalia.And Nadalia came long after the Iron King died.

As for the Sunken King, we now know that the Archdrake sect was made by the survivors of the Drakeblood Knights from the Slumbering Dragon Shield so that means that a lot of time has passed.

I myself don't believe the time travel thing but it does have proof.

True there is proof. Though it seems unlikely... for me at least.

we can choose to believe what we think is true about the lore after all.