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I actually found a way to repel these two beasts quite easy. I crafted two smelter swords (aged and regular versions) and upgraded them with all the PDB I had (so I had SS+5 and ASS+4). Then dual wield them and switch to power stance. (I have STR 60 DEX 45) I unloaded the char to have <70% load to be able to roll. (still had to sue dragon and soldier's rings) Equipped knuckle ring+2 (otherwise swords won't live till the end of the fight).
Then go to the fight, and once the kitten jump on you, roll under him, and place a heavy strike. Roll away, repeat. The simultaneous strike of theese two swords places a huge amount of damage.
I finished off Lud and then Zallen even before he managed to cast his "empower" magic. It's just the 25 dragon bones that were whoopped away...
Vengarl is really tanky for this and can take many hits, even when kitty rage mode is happening.
You don't really need fancy stuff for that fight, like powerstanced greathammers or something like that, just Vengarl and your dodging skills. The hard part is getting to the boss in one piece and with enough estus.