DARK SOULS™ II

DARK SOULS™ II

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Lysserd 3/mai./2014 às 20:55
I hate The Pursuer more than life itself
I got this game knowing it's hard, and I've been enjoying that aspect as well. Until I got to this ♥♥♥♥♥♥. I have probably lost to him 50+ times. I've run him so many times that nothing spawns on the path to him any more, just a leisurely stroll to the fog now.

"Git gud, lul"
Oh I did get good, kid. I hit up that wiki, watched them youtube videos. (Which is a sign of a bad boss fight in the first place.) I learned all about parrying and how to beat him. Heck, I've gotten real close to killing him a few times.

His fight is just so poorly designed! I get there and at this point parrying has been unexplained to me at all. (Maybe because all the tutorial signs were for controllers?) So I die a few times to his ridiculous ability to auto-lock your character even whilst in the air. Which ... seriously guys? In the air? I get that he can lock onto me for a charge, but why do all of his attacks go right in for the middle even if it makes him have to turn on a dime or in the air itself? So I look up parrying, practice that, and now I just keep struggling on his frustrating parry interval. Because I can't just parry any attack, only one of his charges, and I can't just parry any time either. I have to have my shield up, not just up but up without using auto block (for some reason I can never parry him with that on). And I can't just parry him as his charge gets to me, I also have to be walking at him, and then I have an interval between hope and dreams to get the parry in. Even after all that I've been screwed over more than once because the network features decided to show me a blood stain right under the ballista. Would I like to see this blood stain? No, I'd like to kill this boss thankyouverymuch!

This guy isn't hard in a good way, he's just tedious. And I just needed to yell into the sky about it.

But I do have a question. Are the rest of the bosses in this game hard like The Pursuer (tedious bullcrap) or hard like The Last Giant (only one exploitable weakness)? Because I'd love more fights lithe the Giant: where I have a beginning phase to assess the boss, then I can find his weakness and hit on it, then he ramps up.
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shelledfade 3/mai./2014 às 22:11 
I beat pursuer on my 2nd character, on that little ladder arena area, before you actually go up the tower, he was the very first boss I killed, even before the giant. I had help with 2 other summons but they died, one at like 80% health and the other at like 30% health, and we all had crap weapons since its the very beginning of the game. I used the fire sword, or flame sword or whatever it is called that you can get in the beginning. From what I recall my sword actually broke and I had to equip a dagger quickly in order to actually keep fighting lol that's how low my damage was.

He is extremely easy to beat. The absolute key to victory is to stay at 40-45% weight limit, always, ALWAYS roll to the right (his shield side when he is facing you) and you will never get hit unless you time his charges poorly. If he does the fast shield-sprint at you, you should roll to the right twice, because he follows that up with a couple more swings.

It is entirely possible to beat him without being hit once. As it was with the ancient dragon, although I don't think its even possible to take a hit from the ancient dragon without dying anyway.

I solo'd him when you fight him a 2nd time in a different location. The fight doesn't change, he did the same stuff.
Última edição por shelledfade; 3/mai./2014 às 22:16
Case 3/mai./2014 às 22:36 
Because I can't just parry any attack, only one of his charges, and I can't just parry any time either. I have to have my shield up, not just up but up without using auto block (for some reason I can never parry him with that on). And I can't just parry him as his charge gets to me, I also have to be walking at him, and then I have an interval between hope and dreams to get the parry in.

You're doing something very wrong here. Parrying's kinda tricky, but it's certainly not THIS hard and this awkward.

If you're trying to parry on mouse and keyboard, either use the parry (left hand strong attack - assuming you hold your shield with your left hand) button on the keyboard or use the mouse input lagfix using Autohotkey. I don't think you'll be able to parry properly on mouse without the mouse input lag fix. I'm pretty bad at parrying in Souls games, hardly ever use parry and still managed (using mouse and keyboard with customized Autohotkey script, so my parry button is LAlt+RMouse) to parry Pursuer on the third try at around SL 30 or something like that.

Also, don't hold your shield up before the parry. Just enter the fog door, position yourself slightly to your left where the left ballista hits (there's a dark crumbled spot on the ground you can use as a guide and then finetune your position if you don't get it right the first time), and just wait. The Pursuer then opens the fight with his dashing attack pretty consistently this way. He'll dash at you, stop for a split second and swing his sword. As he begins the swing, you need to parry it (again, the timing's a bit tricky, but not THAT tricky) and immediately run like hell to the ballista.

He's even not that bad without the ballistas, honestly. Even gives you quite big window to heal if you do it right. You can block most of his attacks quite efficiently

Still, you might consider coming back later (although I'm afraid you might just hit the wall somewhere else if The Pursuer's giving you this much trouble) and invest some souls into adaptability. The Pursuer is quite optional here (even though the reward for beating him is pretty nice) Or summon some help, people there are usually pretty much able to take care of him even if you don't contribute much to the fight and just focus on staying alive, but, once again, it's quite likely you'll be in similar position the next time.
Seph 3/mai./2014 às 22:39 
Just hug his right side and keep strafing right while defending, it's rather simple. You only ever need to dodge roll his shield bash since it breaks your defense instantly, though it's easy to dodge the other attacks as well.
Wait the pursuer is hard? lol. I never fought him on top of the castle or w/e. I always killed him when he shows up in the forest of the fallen giants after being dropped by the eagle, not sure if this guy is a troll to be honest. Pursuer hard. lol. Can't wait to see you complaining at the double pursuer battle later.
Wojtek the Bear 3/mai./2014 às 23:02 
Summon bros, win fight. That's how you do it. Did Last Giant once with two bros summoned, then did Pursuer twice, both with summons. Not that hard. Need at least one caster tho.
Wynnyelle 3/mai./2014 às 23:04 
Dodge to right+forward. Seriously. It neutralizes every single one of his attacks. He is soooo slow, so it's very easy to just time your dodges and never get hit. Don't overthink it.
Última edição por Wynnyelle; 3/mai./2014 às 23:04
Luigi Bombolini 3/mai./2014 às 23:05 
lol wut r u casul?
Hunter-Gatherer 3/mai./2014 às 23:10 
Dude, shoot him with a ballista. One hit kill.
Pajander 3/mai./2014 às 23:28 
Escrito originalmente por Apollo:
Also if you didn't realise this game was a grinding game then, well you'll be a bit dissapointed. I can not tell you how many times I ran up the dragon steps in the first one or killed the silver knight infront of the bonfire. Only diffrence here is you have to get summouned to grind. BBut yes it is a grinding game.

A game that you can (and people have) fully complete at soul level 1 using starting weapons is not a grinding game. It's the polar opposite of a grinding game.

Of course there's nothing wrong with grinding if you enjoy it. I kind of do too. But it's NEVER a requirement for progression.
Akagi 3/mai./2014 às 23:34 
Escrito originalmente por A. Pajander:
Escrito originalmente por Apollo:
Also if you didn't realise this game was a grinding game then, well you'll be a bit dissapointed. I can not tell you how many times I ran up the dragon steps in the first one or killed the silver knight infront of the bonfire. Only diffrence here is you have to get summouned to grind. BBut yes it is a grinding game.

A game that you can (and people have) fully complete at soul level 1 using starting weapons is not a grinding game. It's the polar opposite of a grinding game.

Of course there's nothing wrong with grinding if you enjoy it. I kind of do too. But it's NEVER a requirement for progression.

Yeah I'm pretty sure this guy was playing a completely different game. Only reason to grind in this is for item drops that most people don't even care about. Yeah, you could grind out a few levels, but it won't help nearly as much as learning how to play. You might hit a little harder or be able to take an extra swing before running out of stamina or take an extra hit before going down, but rarely will that ever save you.
Ronock 3/mai./2014 às 23:37 
Am i missing something? :L
Pursurer shouldn't be 'that' hard no matter what angle your coming from... if you are really suffering enough to post about him then i wouldn't continue though dark souls but you will get mad at every other boss
Dra6o0n 3/mai./2014 às 23:47 
Wait till you fight the Sinner.
The pursuer is incredibly easy once you telegraph his main move which leaves him open a ton.
His dash attack where simply moving to the right and strafing gives you a few good hits.

After that just freaking get out of range so he uses it again.
If he uses his slash-shieldbash-slash combos, dodge accordingly to the swings, and if it's a shield bash you dodge away. The key to dodging is knowing where to roll, not simply towards or away as he could be swinging and moving towards you, so roll 'under' the direction his sword arm flows in, and when it's a shield bash, you roll away. Make sure that you have a hefty amount of stamina in this case. With a good stable shield you can take one hit then dodge the rest if you so like.

It's harder to hit him after dodging his combos as he generally throws normal hits after that whilst you are busy, it's best to hit him once or twice after his dashing slash move.

Never stick to the pursuer like glue, he will use his shield bash a ton.

I betcha that you'll hate the pursuer fight in NG+ when he comes back with his twin in the Drangleic throne room (double the trouble).
Última edição por Dra6o0n; 3/mai./2014 às 23:52
Pajander 3/mai./2014 às 23:55 
Escrito originalmente por Ronock:
Am i missing something? :L
Pursurer shouldn't be 'that' hard no matter what angle your coming from... if you are really suffering enough to post about him then i wouldn't continue though dark souls but you will get mad at every other boss

Different people and different classes have problems at different bosses. For me the Pursuer was the first thing in the game that required real effort and I died plenty, so I can see where the OP is coming from. It takes a while to get the timing of dodges right, plus I didn't realize you can apparently just circlestrafe most of it.
Última edição por Pajander; 3/mai./2014 às 23:58
ラブライブ! 3/mai./2014 às 23:56 
ignore the negative posts and just keep trying, I had some difficulty with the pursuer at first and did it a few times, you will feel great when you eventually managed to beat him

the trick is to time your evasion rolls and keep note of the attack patterns, roll towards the shield hand, you want to attack him once and then roll away to make him charge at you making it easy to evade, if the pursuer does a 3 attack combo, the last attack you just have to time it correctly

I beat the pursuer this way solo without the shield, just by rolling away each time he attacks, this fight is really a good practice for your fight against future bosses and for timing your rolls, if you still need help you can always summon white phantoms for coop but i strongly recommend you do it solo for best experience
Última edição por ラブライブ!; 3/mai./2014 às 23:59
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