So, I was wondering who the Ivory King from the DLC might be...

[Princess Freaddy]

Since this DLC is a Trilogy, and the Ivory King being the last episode, I thought that he must be someone really important in the Dark Souls 2 universe. However, we've never even seen a single mentioning of him in any items, and the only thing that might be related to him is the Shrine of Winter, since in the trailer the area seems to be a frozen tundra.

So I continued wondering who this Ivory King is, and I just realized; wasn't there a king that we didn't put a lot of emphasis on? The king itself didn't really do much, but his people definitely left a mark on Drangleic. Heck, half of the story of Dark Souls 2 is because of them, and we don't even know much of them.

Yeah, I'm talking about the Giants, and the Giant Lord. If you look at them, although they are dressed in rags and leather, they definitely are dressed up to live in a cold climate with their long skirts and pants. Also, the Giants and Vendrick have a very close but hostile relationship; Vendrick stealing something precious from the Giants, and the Giants became completely enraged, attacking Drangleic across the seas for generations. The fall of Drangleic and the end of Vendrick was triggered because Vendrick went to the land of the Giants, so it is definitely one of the most important events in Dark Souls 2. It would be worthy of a conclusion of the trilogy of the lost crowns.

If the thrid DLC is the Land of the Freakin Giants during Vendrick's invasion, and the Ivory King being the previous Giant Lord, but way more badass and difficult (probably being White since the Japanese translation is the 'White King'), I will kiss the From Software logo for each meal. I mean, personally the Last Giant left the best impression from all the bosses, so I definitely would love more Giant bosses.

[Azrahan]

"ivory king" honestly to me sounds like it might be False King Allant from demon's souls.

Edit: My reasoning for this is the fact that he wore white/gold. And the white he wore looked kind of like an ivory white.

[Big Boom Boom]

Ivory King.
Mastodon.
Elephant.

Mastodon King!

[AstinDextor]

Originally posted by Aelzair:

"ivory king" honestly to me sounds like it might be False King Allant from demon's souls.

It won't be anything directly from Demon's SOuls due to legal reasons.

But I did think of something when I was replaying Demons recently. The broken Archstone in Demons SOuls is the one from the Northern Giants. Vendrick stole "something" that is never specified from Giants in the north. Coincidence? Probably. Still, if one wanted to draw connections with Demons SOuls...

[Jesaiya]

Its Seath of course

[SundownKid]

The Sunken King seems to have some relation with the Gutter/Black Gulch with the enemies looking very similar to the ones faced there. He might have a connection with the statues, etc. and has the soul of Nito.

So if we are going by the fact that the Iron King DLC is related to Iron Keep and has the 4Kings Soul, then the Ivory King is probably related to either Seath or the Witch of Izalith. And since Ivory fits Seath more I'd definitely say it has some connection.

There's also the fact that if there was a king based off the Witch of Izalith he would also have a fire area and be redundant with the Old Iron King.

However, there IS still a possibility he could be related to the Witch, since the Lost Bastille is colored ivory outside and all the buildings are white. But I'm guessing it doesn't refer to that.

[Uottafac]

No, you must not think that the dlcs are connected to DaS. The Sunken King is Vendrick, The Iron King is obviuosly the Old Iron King, and The Ivory King is unknown to us all. But it can have some connections to Lindelt.

[SundownKid]

Originally posted by NRH Silver Phantom:

No, you must not think that the dlcs are connected to DaS. The Sunken King is Vendrick, The Iron King is obviuosly the Old Iron King, and The Ivory King is unknown to us all. But it can have some connections to Lindelt.

Just because the Sunken King has a crown that Vendrick once owned doesn't mean it's Vendrick. He could have given it to one of his king vassals like Gwyn did with the 4 Kings.

In fact I automatically assumed that the Crowns trilogy was a 4 Kings-style situation. The ultimate king Vendrick gave parts of his power to several other kings in his territory.

We know that the Old Iron King was a King, he wasn't Vendrick and he ruled part of Vendrick's territory. It's likely that the other kings are similar to him.

Vendrick would also never go underground to rule everyone. We already visited Drangleic Castle, the seat of his power. He stayed there pretty much the whole time.

It could be that the Sunken King was the former ruler of the Gyrm who were exiles forced underground. It seems fitting to the whole theme of "Sunken King - Dwarves, Iron King - Humans, Ivory King - Elves".

[Bird of Few Birds]

I'm hoping the ivory king is gonna be the giants too, it would be pretty cool to see vendricks soldiers charging to fight the giants from a distance and then going there to fight the leftovers.

[Undine]

o.o could dark souls 2 be before dark souls? because the new dlc looks a lot like izaleth... and the monsters at the bottum kinda makes it seem even more so, and now that we are getting 3 crowns while also vendricks they could be the four kings... what if what we are doing is creating lordran or in the process of... if you also think about it, the bed of chaos created the demons... we havent ran into many demonic things other then that one boss, what if this is pre bed of chaos which burned everything turned the monsters into half bodies and demonized the knights who were dead and corrupted them... they both use 2 swords >.>

[Undine]

not to mention seeth the scaleless helped take down the dragons and there are a ♥♥♥♥ ton of dragons in this game

[Shard of Manus]

Originally posted by Undine:

o.o could dark souls 2 be before dark souls? because the new dlc looks a lot like izaleth... and the monsters at the bottum kinda makes it seem even more so, and now that we are getting 3 crowns while also vendricks they could be the four kings... what if what we are doing is creating lordran or in the process of... if you also think about it, the bed of chaos created the demons... we havent ran into many demonic things other then that one boss, what if this is pre bed of chaos which burned everything turned the monsters into half bodies and demonized the knights who were dead and corrupted them... they both use 2 swords >.>

No.

The DLC area is not Lost Izalith. The 4 crowns in DS2 have nothing to do with the 4 kings. The 5 main bosses in DS2 are incarnations of the 5 main bosses in DS1, except Freja; who is the Keeper of Seath's soul as opposed to an incarnation (hence you pick up the Great soul after the battle, as opposed to immediately gaining it when Freja is defeated). Much of the lore covered in the item descriptions in DS2 is reminiscent of the lore in DS1, however; often mentions "forgotten" or "unknown" peoples. In DS1, these name were known; we can safely assume that things get forgotten over a LONG period of time. Not to mention the many factors that point towards Drangleic being ON TOP of Lordran, as opposed to underneath it. - The red phantom that looks just like Anastacia of Astora UNDERNEATH the Far Fire, or Firelink Shrine. The Sunlight Altar that is no longer atop a great wall parapet, and is instead in hidden within a cliff face (this may mean nothing, for all we know, the Kingdom before Lordran could simply have been full of avid miners, and uncovered half the world).

Originally posted by Undine:

not to mention seeth the scaleless helped take down the dragons and there are a ♥♥♥♥ ton of dragons in this game

No. Seath aided in the destruction of the Ancient Dragons, of which there is only one "Ancient Dragon"(ish, not really), in DS2. The other dragons are distant relatives of the Ancient Dragons, more reminiscent of Drakes.

Finally, the four in DS1. Gwyn, Lord of Cinder - The Witch of Izalith - Nito - Manus (possibly), are the original beings that founded the Lord Souls / Dark Soul. The protagonist in DS1 destroys the physical forms of these 4 (unless the Chosen Undead didn't purchase the DLC) + Seath (unless the Chosen Undead didn't purchase the DLC [PS - In DS2, Gwyn's Soul is recombined, nullifying any part the 4 kings had to play in DS1], therefore their souls are then capable (due to their immense strength) of either possessing another form, or creating its own. Vendrick is also mentioned to have defeated the 4 Great Ones, but could not manage to defeat Nashandra (a shard of Manus), and was instead tricked by her and hollowed, therefore unable to complete the cycle (hence the chosen undead becomes the 2nd king in only 1 cycle).

My point is, Lordran is before Drangleic. Never suggest otherwise.

[Angrycontra]

Like someone actually suggested, Ivory king has most likely something to do with Mastodons and perhaps the lion men (who are not related directly to Seathe, atleast in the lore stuff that currently exists). Why this? Well couple reasons:
1) Well Ivory is self-explanatory for Mastodons, so there's that.
2) The lore for shaded woods (which has been said to be the area where the last dlc is accessed) is very much shrouded in mystery. Only thing known is that some horrific deeds or something like that were done there long time ago. Same goes for Lion men and Mastodons. Perhaps this "Ivory King" loved to put his own subjects under some terrible experiments and the monsters we will be seeing in that dlc will be various animal-human-monster hybrid creatures.

[Big Boom Boom]

The Mastodon were ancient, Lord Aldia resurrected them and brought them back to serve Vendrick. Probably their homeland is now one giant frozen wasteland, hence the snowy scenery.

[Uottafac]

Why did someone bump this post? Lol. I could even re-read what i wrote long ago....

Probably we won't have the chance to meet him, The Sunken King died long ago, The Iron King was killed by a demon (Icarus Earth i believe it was called...) which took his body and soul....If the mastodon knights are really related to the Ivory King then he must be dead too, so it doesn't really matter who he was.

[Shard of Manus]

Originally posted by NRH Silver:

Why did someone bump this post? Lol. I could even re-read what i wrote long ago....

Probably we won't have the chance to meet him, The Sunken King died long ago, The Iron King was killed by a demon (Icarus Earth i believe it was called...) which took his body and soul....If the mastodon knights are really related to the Ivory King then he must be dead too, so it doesn't really matter who he was.

Whether it matters is unimportant. People enjoy speculating, and above that; knowing things is satisfying.