Proof that the DLC is in fact cut content

[Piszczel]

The pre-release trailer, published more than a year before release shows two areas which fit with the DLC. Have a look at the trailer here:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=k-dcwB3qTMA

1. The first DLC coming up, Crown of the Sunken King, shows an underground area with plenty of poison enemies. The trailer shows a sewer-like area around 1:16 that is not in the game. Sewers are usually associated with poison, and the "sunken king" also suggests that water is involved. Water + poison = sewer.

2. The trailer also shows a snow area at 1:40, which fits perfectly with the DLC "Crown of the Ivory King".

Both of those areas shown in the trailer are NOT featured in the main game, yet the other areas shown can be recognised (FotFG, Dragon Aerie, Earthern Peak/Iron Keep)

This means that the content was planned at least a year before the release. It was cut from the main game.

I'd like to see the FROM apologists explain this one.
Don't get me wrong, I'll still buy the DLC because I have no shame. At the same time, it is important to recognise FROM for their dickery.

[Angrycontra]

Even if it is cut content, why should it matter? You perhaps know, that Artorias Dlc was originally planned to part of main game. There were couple un-used models in game files of original dark souls (the prisoner with ball and chain was one) and artwork too (chester being one). However due to BUDGET and TIME constraints, they had to cut them off. Now afterwards, perhaps fueled by the pc-release thing, they decided to finish and to add these cut stuff in form of dlc. However I can say with 100% certainty that if they had released whatever they had done with the artorias stuff before the original release, it would have most likely been some of the worst content in original Dark Souls. Now it's some of the best stuff Dark Souls has.

Perhaps this dlc for DS2 is same thing. It was planned before but due to BUDGET and TIME (notice the caps), they had to cut it off. Now they have tons of money from very good sales and game received good critical reception, so they have now bigger budget and more time to finish off these cut areas and make them better. If it would take them atleast year to make these, then how the hell DS2 was released so fast when considering that DS1 was released only 3 years ago (and for DS2 ♥♥♥♥ tons of artwork and other stuff had to be made before anyone could even start any programming).

And finally, saying this dlc sucks without seeing proper gameplay material or playing it yourself is pretty stupid.

[Piszczel]

Yes, but there's a big difference.
DaS1 was made in 8 months, the team was really pushed for release and they simply had to cut the content. Artorias DLC did not see the light of day until a full year after the game released.

DaS2 was in development for more than 2 years. The DLC is announced only 3 months after the release, with footage suggesting that the bulk of the work is done already. This means they had to be working on it, or it was finished by release.

DLC sucks because of how they handled it, not to mention the ridiculous price. £20? I bought full games for less than that! The DLC better have at least 10 hours of quality content!

[Drowning witch]

Regardless of the possible DLC quality, I do find it funny that people are like cows in developed countries. They love to be milked. They ask for it, even defend the milking. Then again, what else can you expect from a culture where you walk into buildings with pieces of paper, and buy cheap stuff made by hungry, overworked, and poor people on the other side of the planet. I am guilty of this too, but the western world takes it to an extreme.

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引用自 Drowning witch：

Regardless of the possible DLC quality, I do find it funny that people are like cows in developed countries. They love to be milked. They ask for it, even defend the milking. Then again, what else can you expect from a culture where you walk into buildings with pieces of paper, and buy cheap stuff made by hungry, overworked, and poor people on the other side of the planet. I am guilty of this too, but the western world takes it to an extreme.

oh please

[Rockhead Gaz]

引用自 Drowning witch：

Regardless of the possible DLC quality, I do find it funny that people are like cows in developed countries. They love to be milked. They ask for it, even defend the milking. Then again, what else can you expect from a culture where you walk into buildings with pieces of paper, and buy cheap stuff made by hungry, overworked, and poor people on the other side of the planet. I am guilty of this too, but the western world takes it to an extreme.

No longer are you criticising a software developer for their release practices, you're now criticising the established conventions of an entire culture, conventions which you, by your own admission, subscribe to, presumably without leveling any criticism at yourself or product manufacturers. It's hard to see it as an argument which hasn't been completely undermined by your own hypocrisy.

[Tekias2024]

Nothing wrong with DLC, not to the greedy devealopers who take more of our money! Yay!

[Yorosiku]

"For Dark Souls II, we don't even expect any additional downloadable content because we want to deliver a full game, the full experience, to fans who purchase the package from day one," says Dark Souls II producer Takeshi Miyazoe.

So Mr. Producer, what are you doing right now ?!!!!!

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引用自 Yorosiku：

"For Dark Souls II, we don't even expect any additional downloadable content because we want to deliver a full game, the full experience, to fans who purchase the package from day one," says Dark Souls II producer Takeshi Miyazoe.

So Mr. Producer, what are you doing right now ?!!!!!

""There is definitely potential, I think. Again, it's all about fan feedback."

[Piszczel]

引用自 sajtban：

""There is definitely potential, I think. Again, it's all about fan feedback."

The feedback that we've been giving is that we don't want SM, Havel needs a nerf, no healing in the arena etc etc. Very few people asked for DLC.

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引用自 piszczel1：

引用自 sajtban：

""There is definitely potential, I think. Again, it's all about fan feedback."

The feedback that we've been giving is that we don't want SM, Havel needs a nerf, no healing in the arena etc etc. Very few people asked for DLC.

around the net there were both people unsatisfied with these issues and people asking for dlc. I hope they're going to adress both things, at the moment I'm not buying the season pass. The team that's working on the game isn't that small, I guess they can have enough people working on the dlc and enough working on fixing the game, which require different team members, dunno.

[Gaz]

If Bandai Namco want DLC it is up to From to deliever, it's either either cut content or cut jobs or wages. It isn't the developers who decide on DLC it's the producer, the better a game does the more likely DLC is going to happen. A tragic but smart business descision, not to mention the longer the lifespan and DLC the more people at From keep their jobs to keep making and expanding Souls games.

Aside from that there isn't anyone forcing you to buy the new content, I myself can't afford it and have no plans on getting them until much much later than the targeted release date.

[Thief]

引用自 High Impact Sexual Violence：

引用自 Michael：

I don't see your point... What is wrong with planning the dlc a year ago? Should From Software just make spontaneous random decisions every week? As far as I'm concerned, the game was very well completed at release, in contrast to 99% of the unfinished crap relased on Steam nowadays.

What is wrong?
Well, maybe they could've included it in the base game?

I dunno, you tell me, you put a cool snow mountain level in a promotional trailer, never mention it's not actually included in the game, and then go "oh but we never SAID it'd be in the base game, that's 25 dollar DLC gimme gimme gimme". That's a pretty jackass tactic if you ask me.

Everyone crying about "Oh my god I can't believe I've got to pay 25$ for content that should have been put in the game for free!" The DLC isn't 25$ straight you penny pinching cry babies. 25$ is the season pass for all three. That's what you pay if you want all of them at once!! If you only want/can afford one of them at a time then PAY for them ONE AT A TIME. Not that all of you members of the community do it but seriously... learn your ♥♥♥♥.

[Piszczel]

引用自 Paranoid Thief：

Everyone crying about "Oh my god I can't believe I've got to pay 25$ for content that should have been put in the game for free!" The DLC isn't 25$ straight you penny pinching cry babies. 25$ is the season pass for all three. That's what you pay if you want all of them at once!! If you only want/can afford one of them at a time then PAY for them ONE AT A TIME. Not that all of you members of the community do it but seriously... learn your ♥♥♥♥.

How can you defend this practice? DLC is a fairly recent thing that started roughly 10 years ago. Before then, expansion packs meant A LOT of content. Take Diablo 2 for example, the LoD expansion added a ton of content, a whole new act, it revamped the mechanics and builds.
What do you expect from each of these DLCs? One or two new weapons, two bosses and a new spell? There's a very high chance that's what we'll get.

The three DLC should have been one big expansion pack instead and cost £15 instead of £20.

The current price £20, is half of what DaS2 cost on release. I am therefore expecting half the amount of content for that price (say, about 20-25 hours), which is reasonable.

That's ♥♥♥♥♥♥♥♥ though, we all know the DLC will be 2-3 hours long tops, that's the way current industry works.

[Thief]

引用自 piszczel1：

Yes, but there's a big difference.
DaS1 was made in 8 months, the team was really pushed for release and they simply had to cut the content. Artorias DLC did not see the light of day until a full year after the game released.

DaS2 was in development for more than 2 years. The DLC is announced only 3 months after the release, with footage suggesting that the bulk of the work is done already. This means they had to be working on it, or it was finished by release.

DLC sucks because of how they handled it, not to mention the ridiculous price. £20? I bought full games for less than that! The DLC better have at least 10 hours of quality content!

Ive bought games for less than that also. Practically every steam user has. Everything loses value with age. Dark Souls I is now FREE on Xbox Live. Several MMO's are FREE. Doesn't mean they weren't worth the dollars spent when they were new. Played the hell out of Rift for 2 years and now its a free-to-play game. It still see's lots of nice updated content and is fairly cared for by the developers.

[OZA]

引用自 piszczel1：

2. The trailer also shows a snow area at 1:40, which fits perfectly with the DLC "Crown of the Ivory King".

That is quite a ♥♥♥♥♥♥♥ stretch. How exactly do you make this connection? If anything I would think "Ivory King" would be on an African Plains type settings... you know, because Ivory comes from Elephants. Or atleast Indian Jungle. But Snow? Come on man.