Powerstance Helix Halberd and Mastadon Halberd need to be nerfed.

[otakon17]

All it is is poke,poke,poke dead. They need to increase the stamina usage for powerstance both weapons, with the broken hitboxes there is little chance of beating some cheap dastard with these things equipped running around in full Havels. You can't parry it and blocking it is practically pointless as even with a +10 Greatshield two hits and you're knocked over.

And before ANYONE says that stupid diphit saying, HOW do you counter it? Because at 110 AGL dodging doesn't work, and blocking doesn't work, and the speed of the attack will hit at the same time any of yours do plus the range is longer.

[otakon17]

引用自 harukage：

Just tried full havels with helix/mastadon. Never new i was so good at PvP... /sarcasm

Even I have used it from time to time and yeah it felt cheap and dirty. So instead I went full Heides Knight gear, sword and great lance(which suprisingly enough has the same powerstance as Helix/Mastodon) and isn't OP because no phantom range. But it does help since I basically have four ways to attack my opponent at a time. Powerstance, two-hand, left or right hand.

[Khan]

引用自 Tirigon：

引用自 Khan：

Thing is, since they have no need to roll away from you, this would still happen at 120.
Please for the love of god stop bringing up OP gear combos and claiming that the matchmakeing enables it. The unbalanced gear does.

On that note, fat rolls still give the same amout of iFrames, or does everyone convenintly forget about that when bringing it up?

No, the matchmaking enables it.

Thing is, if you want to powerstance halberds and wear Havel's at SL 120, you'd have to do huge tradeoffs. You'd be unable to use any magic or miracles, you'd have very low vita and stamina and STILL fatroll. And if anyone cant beat that, they deserve the loss because frankly, at that point this build wouldn't be OP, it would make it harder for the user.

Dark Souls is balanced around tradeoffs -
Want to ninjaflip wielding a huge hammer? Sure you can, but you got no armor and low health, so if you screw up once you're dead.
Want to oneshot people with your soul spear? - Sure. Hope you hit, because at base vita you'll die instantly yourself, too.
Want to go full tank in havel's with a greatshield? You need the armor, because forget about rolling....

But this ridiculous overleveling removes all that, because you can get all of this at once without the downsides.

THAT is the issue.

"Dark Souls"
Need I say more at this point? Diffrent game, diffrent mentaility to balance.

With the current machmakeing, Helix Halberd still happens the lower you go, just lower in efficency. Same goes with ways to deal with it.
Edit: On top of that, Spices.

[Tirigon]

^
Dark Souls and Dark Souls 2 is basically the same, though, only one of the 2 has horrible matchmaking that ruins PvP (hint: It's not the older one).

But the way it's balanced is exactly the same, and it is noticeable even in PvE, though not quite as extreme: The game is at its best between SL 80 and 160 or so, when you have enough points to use cool stuff but not enough to just have everything with no downside. Going higher than that is becoming boring.

[otakon17]

引用自 Khan：

引用自 Tirigon：

No, the matchmaking enables it.

Thing is, if you want to powerstance halberds and wear Havel's at SL 120, you'd have to do huge tradeoffs. You'd be unable to use any magic or miracles, you'd have very low vita and stamina and STILL fatroll. And if anyone cant beat that, they deserve the loss because frankly, at that point this build wouldn't be OP, it would make it harder for the user.

Dark Souls is balanced around tradeoffs -
Want to ninjaflip wielding a huge hammer? Sure you can, but you got no armor and low health, so if you screw up once you're dead.
Want to oneshot people with your soul spear? - Sure. Hope you hit, because at base vita you'll die instantly yourself, too.
Want to go full tank in havel's with a greatshield? You need the armor, because forget about rolling....

But this ridiculous overleveling removes all that, because you can get all of this at once without the downsides.

THAT is the issue.

"Dark Souls"
Need I say more at this point? Diffrent game, diffrent mentaility to balance.

With the current machmakeing, Helix Halberd still happens the lower you go, just lower in efficency. Same goes with ways to deal with it.

He does have a point though. In a game like this, any weapon with enough practice should be viable but it's not the case because they don't have the trade-offs. You can't hyperarmor and defense up to use heavy weapons, you'll be stunlocked to death. That's the issue, variety of approach to PvP since poise is worthless and defense doesn't seem to count for anything unless they're using an extremely low damage weapon.

[Khan]

引用自 otakon17：

引用自 Khan：

"Dark Souls"
Need I say more at this point? Diffrent game, diffrent mentaility to balance.

With the current machmakeing, Helix Halberd still happens the lower you go, just lower in efficency. Same goes with ways to deal with it.

He does have a point though. In a game like this, any weapon with enough practice should be viable but it's not the case because they don't have the trade-offs. You can't hyperarmor and defense up to use heavy weapons, you'll be stunlocked to death. That's the issue, variety of approach to PvP since poise is worthless and defense doesn't seem to count for anything unless they're using an extremely low damage weapon.

For the record, poise is not worthless, there are simply more ways to negate it. Defences do stack up. Smack a guy useing the Dragon Torso a few times, then switch to someone with say 600+ phys resist.

What is currently wrong is what happens when one goes over 1K phys resist. That needs to be tweaked.

Also, ever fought a Havel user? Their stamina recovery is crap.

[AFreeMarketeer]

Perhaps to fix some of these problems, maybe if the servers were not so laggy then you probably won't get hit at ridiculous ranges

[Tirigon]

^
Eh, you dont need Stamina recovery if a single hit is deadly....

[Khan]

引用自 Tirigon：

^
Eh, you dont need Stamina recovery if a single hit is deadly....

Hence why the combo is OP atm.

引用自 AFreeMarketeer：

Perhaps to fix some of these problems, maybe if the servers were not so laggy then you probably won't get hit at ridiculous ranges

Game only uses severs for finding players, after that it goes to p2p.

[Ha-Nocri]

why is ppl agreeing here that it neads nearfing, and they were opposing me in this thread: http://steamcommunity.com/app/236430/discussions/0/540744475336080406/
?!

Anyway, to those who say that noone use helix combo before, they are wrong. Before calibration 1.06 I was saying that it is the most broken thing

[otakon17]

引用自 Ha-Nocri：

why is ppl agreeing here that it neads nearfing, and they were opposing me in this thread: http://steamcommunity.com/app/236430/discussions/0/540744475336080406/
?!

Anyway, to those who say that noone use helix combo before, they are wrong. Before calibration 1.06 I was saying that it is the most broken thing

Dude, I Blue'd you like three times. You lucked out with phantom range dammit -_-.

[Ha-Nocri]

引用自 otakon17：

引用自 Ha-Nocri：

why is ppl agreeing here that it neads nearfing, and they were opposing me in this thread: http://steamcommunity.com/app/236430/discussions/0/540744475336080406/
?!

Anyway, to those who say that noone use helix combo before, they are wrong. Before calibration 1.06 I was saying that it is the most broken thing

Dude, I Blue'd you like three times. You lucked out with phantom range dammit -_-.

you sure? Don't have you on the list of recent players

[otakon17]

引用自 Ha-Nocri：

引用自 otakon17：

Dude, I Blue'd you like three times. You lucked out with phantom range dammit -_-.

you sure? Don't have you on the list of recent players

Positive. I was the guy with a Heide Great Lance and Heide Sword.

[Ha-Nocri]

引用自 otakon17：

引用自 Ha-Nocri：

you sure? Don't have you on the list of recent players

Positive. I was the guy with a Heide Great Lance and Heide Sword.

oh yeah :D
maybe even more than 3 times

[irishdrunkass]

Let's just make a list of the ♥♥♥'s that are using it so we can call them ♥♥♥'s

[irishdrunkass]

GDCL = ♥♥♥