*SPOILERS* Underwhelming final boss fight?

[Yunkle]

Final act, even. Velstadt and Giant Lord are easy as hell, Throne O&S knockoffs were pretty difficult and fun, but Nashrada or whatever was really surprisingly easy for a final boss.

Maybe the final segment of the game seemed short/easy to me because of the design choice of fighting the 4 big bosses at the beginning instead of the end?

Thoughts?

[Empress Misery]

The final boss in Souls games have always tended to be easy. Compared to how easy Gwyn was, the Persuer is difficult, compared to King Allant, Undead Citizens are difficult.

Actually, probably Nashandra has been the most difficult final boss. :D

[harmonica]

Out of curiousity were you a caster or using a tower shield? I found that doing those things in the original dark souls made the game disgustingly easy. But even if you weren't doing either of those things yeah Nashranda is a bad final boss and not good either way. She isn't even cool like gwyn, who despite being pretty easy was a bundle of fun to fight. She is just stupid.

[Yunkle]

Despite being easy to parry, I really liked the Gwyn fight. Nashandra's cool, but when I killed her, I kinda felt like 'what, that was it?'
She's just kinda really easily dodgeable. Especially the beam attack, just makes it really easy.

[76561198110256612]

Nashandra is probably the hardest Souls boss, which is sad


but to be perfectly honest, the PvE in Souls games never holds up. The only fights that have ever been consistently punishing are Kalameet and Artorias, and even those get boring once you learn their patterns. (They just have MORE attacks and hit TONS harder than the other bosses)

[Eat Mor Sandvich]

Don't tell that to Bernhart of Jugo, I was trying to get his armour for my new playthrough and the bastard just stood infront of nashandra while she whaled away at him. it's like wait dude you had no problem surviving Looking glass knight and the throne duo, but you die to this B*****?

[76561198110256612]

Bernhard is basically impossible to keep alive at later NGs, so defnitely do his quest in NG.

I'm on NG+7 and LGK absolutely kicks his ♥♥♥♥ in, its just sad.

[Zefar]

Opprinnelig skrevet av Beel:

Nashandra is probably the hardest Souls boss, which is sad

Smelter Demon is harder than her.
Last Sinner is harder.
Royal Rat authority is far harder. Due to mobs though.

First time I just chucked Great Lightning spears on her with 2 others and she was dead.

As for hardest Souls boss. Four Kings on NG+ takes that price.

[76561198110256612]

Opprinnelig skrevet av Zefar:

Opprinnelig skrevet av Beel:

Nashandra is probably the hardest Souls boss, which is sad

Smelter Demon is harder than her.
Last Sinner is harder.
Royal Rat authority is far harder. Due to mobs though.

First time I just chucked Great Lightning spears on her with 2 others and she was dead.

As for hardest Souls boss. Four Kings on NG+ takes that price.

My bad, I meant hardest final boss, agreed on what you said.

Four Kings on NG+ is still cheesable though, only on later NGs does it become impossible to kill them before another spawn

[Sgt. Flaw]

Opprinnelig skrevet av Zefar:

Opprinnelig skrevet av Beel:

Nashandra is probably the hardest Souls boss, which is sad

Smelter Demon is harder than her.
Last Sinner is harder.
Royal Rat authority is far harder. Due to mobs though.

First time I just chucked Great Lightning spears on her with 2 others and she was dead.

As for hardest Souls boss. Four Kings on NG+ takes that price.

I'm giving it to Ornstien and Smough NG+ or Maneaters...those things where rediculously hard on NG+.

[Tirigon]

Opprinnelig skrevet av Zefar:

Opprinnelig skrevet av Beel:

Nashandra is probably the hardest Souls boss, which is sad

Smelter Demon is harder than her.
Last Sinner is harder.
Royal Rat authority is far harder. Due to mobs though.

First time I just chucked Great Lightning spears on her with 2 others and she was dead.

As for hardest Souls boss. Four Kings on NG+ takes that price.

I found 4 Kings to be surprisingly easy, actually, since they have a very merciful AI and most of the time, only one will attack you at a time. They only become hard if they decide to spam AoE blasts and Grabs instead of swinging their swords.

As for DS2, I found Smelter Demon laughably easy. Just like the Giants he is so easy to dodge that you should never get hit. Only the permanent DoT makes it somewhat hard, but life gems or mushrooms deal with that.
Last Sinner is hard in NG+ and without a shield, but can be blocked easily. Royal Rat authority is decided in the first few seconds; once you get under it, you won.

I would agree that Nashandra is one of the hardest bosses (at least among the solo bosses. All multi-bosses are obviously harder), because her lingering curse-DoT is just insane.

[76561198110256612]

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Opprinnelig skrevet av Zefar:

Smelter Demon is harder than her.
Last Sinner is harder.
Royal Rat authority is far harder. Due to mobs though.

First time I just chucked Great Lightning spears on her with 2 others and she was dead.

As for hardest Souls boss. Four Kings on NG+ takes that price.

I'm giving it to Ornstien and Smough NG+ or Maneaters...those things where rediculously hard on NG+.

Ornstein and Smough, even on NG+7, is formulaic. Difficult, but definitely doable if you're patient.

Four Kings is just........ hell

Can't comment on Maneaters, no PS3.

[Zefar]

Opprinnelig skrevet av Masterflaw:

I'm giving it to Ornstien and Smough NG+ or Maneaters...those things where rediculously hard on NG+.

I farmed Crystal Maneaters on NG+ with Black Knight Halberd. Wasn't all that hard.

Ornstein and Smough ain't in the top for me because I can at least avoid their hits. Four Kings is just about a DPS race and on NG+ it gets hard.

[76561198110256612]

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I'm giving it to Ornstien and Smough NG+ or Maneaters...those things where rediculously hard on NG+.

I farmed Crystal Maneaters on NG+ with Black Knight Halberd. Wasn't all that hard.

Ornstein and Smough ain't in the top for me because I can at least avoid their hits. Four Kings is just about a DPS race and on NG+ it gets hard.

This


Four kings melee attacks are easy to dodge, but you cant fully block them, and if more than 1 decides to attack you its just a barrage of attacks

Not to mention the magic projectile with full tracking that lasts 15s, ffs. You HAVE to block it and take the damage, or run in circles for 15s.

Or a King can just spam the practically undodgable grab....

Four Kings is just a hell of a rough bossfight. It and New Londo in general are my most hated part of Dark Souls, even over Izalith.

[Tirigon]

The main problem I have with Ornstein and Smough is that they heal when one dies... Fighting smartly and bringing them down low should be rewarded, not punished.

That being said, I find them very doable. Only on SL1 it was hell. Ended up using Solaire for phase 1, killing Ornstein and then cheesing Super Smough with a crossbow...

[76561198110256612]

Opprinnelig skrevet av Tirigon:

The main problem I have with Ornstein and Smough is that they heal when one dies... Fighting smartly and bringing them down low should be rewarded, not punished.

That being said, I find them very doable. Only on SL1 it was hell. Ended up using Solaire for phase 1, killing Ornstein and then cheesing Super Smough with a crossbow...

Stuff like this only effects your first try though.

Like Throne Watcher/Defender, anyone smart focused one down, figured out they can heal up to full when left alone, and never tried that tactic again.

SL1 runs, forget that. I get it that some people like it, but for me the fun in games like this is all teh different equipment, magic, etc. Theres just SO MUCH TO DO, I hate having to limit myself. I did a SL1 run and stopped after gargoyles, it just wasn't any fun. Challenging, hell yes. Fun, no. (Personal opinion)