Which pyromancy flame?

[Hand's Hermit Permit]

Can someone explain to me which pyromancy flame I should use? If you're not hollowed, is the regular pyromancy flame better than the dark one? If I'm invading, the hollowed bonus doesn't come into play, right?

I'd look at the wiki but some vandal just deleted the dark pyromancy page an hour ago and I don't know anything about getting it back.

I'd figure it out my damn self, but I'd rather know before I sink tons of seeds and souls into the wrong one. Thanks.

[Dryden]

When fully upgraded, the dark pyromancy flame will do more damage regardless of whether you're human or hollow.

[Hand's Hermit Permit]

Ok thanks. Screw the regular flame then?

[Dryden]

Originally posted by ᴿᴺᴳ Hand's Hermit Permit:

Ok thanks. Screw the regular flame then?

Yeah it's pretty useless.. I upgraded both to +10 (there's a fire seed in the memory with the giant lord) and I threw the regular one away because well.. 250 (regular) vs 300 (dark pyromancy).

[Hand's Hermit Permit]

k nice.

Spell damage scales directly off the weapon's damage too, right? Again, wikis don't give me straight answers sometimes.

[Wraith]

Wait. is that correct though? I have the Dark Pyro at +5 and it says something like 275 and then a big red minus 240 or so.. meaning that when I'm Human it's for all of 35 points... I sold my normal Pyro flame early game like an idiot and didn't think about needing to be hollow to get the real benefits from the Dark Pyro...

How on earth could a max Dark Pyro be better than a max Pyro when human??

[Hand's Hermit Permit]

Wait yeah, my un-upgraded dark pyro flame is showing a -87 and I'm hollowed twice even.

[Wraith]

My thing is I don't like playing Hollow. I love taking screenshots of my guy for one thing. Another is just that it's overall less HP.. I use the 4 rings (2 life protections, 2 soul protections etc and of course only one at a time) so that I never go hollow or lose my souls. Also this means I have well over 30 Human Effegies now. So with all this in mind the Dark Pyro flame just seems like it's not for my playstyle.
Gotta wait till I hit NG+ to get the regular Pyro flame from the Wharf boat again now.. :(

[Dryden]

Yeah I just checked it myself. My best guess is that it has something to do with the game having been rolled back to v1.02 because it wasn't like that two days ago.

Oh well, guess the "white" flame is usefull once more.

[Beel]

Wait, the Dark Pyro is always better than regular? that sounds wrong.

[Hand's Hermit Permit]

Well I'm guess I'm going to clear the wharf and upgrade the regular flame. The stupid shiny boat navigation thing tricked me into not getting it my first playthrough.

Also, I wanna ditch my points in faith. Is there a downside to using the soul vessel I don't know about? Does it screw with soul memory or anything?

[Wraith]

another Question just to clear more up about the dark pyro flame.. The Ring of Binding. Does this affect the damage of the Dark Pyro flame? I mean it's more damage the more Hollowed you are. But with the Ring equiped you don't have as much health being denied you.. So does the ring affect the flame at all? or is it tied to simply how many X times you have been hollowed and not your HP bar?

[Metroidkiller]

Originally posted by ᴿᴺᴳ Hand's Hermit Permit:

Well I'm guess I'm going to clear the wharf and upgrade the regular flame. The stupid shiny boat navigation thing tricked me into not getting it my first playthrough.

lol i did the exact same thing, it was shiny so i had to play with it first.

Originally posted by Beel:

Wait, the Dark Pyro is always better than regular? that sounds wrong.

Thats because it is wrong.

[Hand's Hermit Permit]

Originally posted by Keats:

another Question just to clear more up about the dark pyro flame.. The Ring of Binding. Does this affect the damage of the Dark Pyro flame? I mean it's more damage the more Hollowed you are. But with the Ring equiped you don't have as much health being denied you.. So does the ring affect the flame at all? or is it tied to simply how many X times you have been hollowed and not your HP bar?

I have the ring and some hollowing and my dark flame equipped now I'll check

I equipped my ring of binding and the -87 damage I have on my flame didn't change. Looks like dark flame + ring of binding is viable.

Also, does anyone know if the pyro flame quality or even intelligence scaling affects poison spells or corrosive mist? Cuz I have those and they seem really useful and the wiki doesn't tell me anything!

[Wraith]

ah cool thanks for checking that! at least some of this discussion is cleared up now!

[Dryden]

Hollowing goes in stages and can be visibly seen on your character. The damage you do with the dark flame won't be lowered if you use the ring.

The number of stages that it takes to go fully "hollow" are the same whether or not you equip the ring.. each stage just takes away less of your hp when you do use the ring. Hope that helps explain it.