what is the red glowing light in dear daughter frejas bossroom?

[MR.hyde]

what happens if i touch it and what if i dont?

[Taption]

you have to touch its one of the 4 great ones souls

[PG]

I highly recommend touching it since it's one of the 4 lord souls that is pretty much required for finishing the game.

[MR.hyde]

oh, i thought the "soul of freja" is the required old soul :O well thx :P
edit: yep, "great soul embraced" lol

[Taption]

if you look at her soul you'll see its jus a normal boss soul not orange like the other 3

[Blade43v3r]

And to figure this out you have to open a post? Cant you just touch it and see it?

[The Elder Scrolls IV: Sex Mod]

I still question the necessity of the red entity. There seems to be no reason for it gameplay wise, so maybe it has some relevance lore wise that people will find out later, if not already.

[k3rr3k]

Originally posted by ReaperTeh:

I still question the necessity of the red entity. There seems to be no reason for it gameplay wise, so maybe it has some relevance lore wise that people will find out later, if not already.

It's Seath's soul. The spider may be a boss bot the great soul comes from the dead dragon. If you look up from where the red entity is, it's directly above Seath's mouth.

[SundownKid]

The dragon is pretty clearly not Seath, there's no way that he would change appearance to a typical ancient dragon from his earlier appearance. The dragon was also dead since long before Seath died. I think that his soul just came there from when he was killed beforehand.

[MR.hyde]

Originally posted by Blade43v3r:

And to figure this out you have to open a post? Cant you just touch it and see it?

if my thread is to casual for u why did u post in it then?!

[k3rr3k]

Originally posted by SundownKid:

The dragon is pretty clearly not Seath, there's no way that he would change appearance to a typical ancient dragon from his earlier appearance. The dragon was also dead since long before Seath died. I think that his soul just came there from when he was killed beforehand.

Manscorpion Tark(us) makes reference to Seath never permanently dying but shifting forms for eternity. Also, hes in Brightstone Cove which happens to be a crystal quarry. On NG+ you get the Old Paledrake soul which can be traded for Crystal Soul Spear or the Moonlight Greatsword which you also get from Seath in the previous game. Crystal sorcery was also created by Seath.

[Basilard]

^ Interesting.

A shiny, red, candy-like glowing ord: in Demon's Souls, don't touch it. Dark souls (1), research it first just in case, but it's probably ok. Dark Souls II, click it without thinking, nothing is deceptive and everything is forgiving.

[k3rr3k]

Originally posted by Repeater:

^ Interesting.

I know my stuff.

If for some reason the dragon isn't Seath then it is the Duke just shortly after Freja as Seath also held the title of Duke in Dark Souls.

[SundownKid]

Well the soul is definitely seath's, but the dragon is not Seath. It's likely that the "form" Seath took was the Duke of Brightstone Tseldora. The soul is under the dragon because it was drawn to a similar dragon as Seath was.

[Tirigon]

Originally posted by k3rr3k:

Originally posted by Repeater:

^ Interesting.

I know my stuff.

If for some reason the dragon isn't Seath then it is the Duke just shortly after Freja as Seath also held the title of Duke in Dark Souls.

That is my suspicion as well.....

Just for interest: One should light the bonfire without killing the Duke and go to Tark. It would be interesting if he also talks about you killing his creator if the Duke is not dead.....


Anyways, more similarities between Seath and the Duke:

- The duke is said to crave things he doesnt have and wanting to change himself. Seath craved scales he didnt have and wanted to change himself with crystal magic

- Seath created abominations from humans. Brightstone Cove is populated with these weird human-spider hybrids, and Tark states that the Duke made many such creatures.

[k3rr3k]

Originally posted by Noble Chester:

Originally posted by k3rr3k:

I know my stuff.

If for some reason the dragon isn't Seath then it is the Duke just shortly after Freja as Seath also held the title of Duke in Dark Souls.

Great Souls find new hosts as implied by the emerald herald when a new age is born...just as the old witch,king,nito souls get to the sinner,iron king and rotten so does the seath soul come to the duke...the duke then gets obsessed with spiders because the essence and character of seath was obsesstion and the person that inherits the souls inherits the traits...he fused his own soul to soul of freya and thus big freya was born...you can see a small busted cage near the duke impying that freya was a small pet spider...

Seaths soul or Old Pale Drake soul which you get from NG + is not a great soul...seath was an albino ancient dragon and only got a part of gwyns soul...the great soul from tseldora is the anciend dragon soul...you don't get it 1st...the text just says the soul is embraced...but when you come with ashen mist heart and enter the dragon memories you get the soul...and it look orange just like the other great souls...thus the red thing is a manifesation or a leftover of the ancient dragon of ash lake...that you can get via the ashen mist heart...

I can see how you would come to these conclusions but the four great souls that were found at the age of fire in Dark Souls were Nito's, Gwyn's, Witch of Izalith, and the Pygmy. As stated in Dark Souls, Gwynn gave a fragment of his great soul to Seath and 4 Kings. Since the great souls are eternal it suggests that Seath's soul is also eternal. There may be more than 4 souls but it is never said that the Everlasting dragons possessed any of them. Anyways, since just a fragment of a great soul is required for the lord vessel(which can be found smashed in Majula) and the Shrine of Winter requires 4 great souls(its plausible to assume that the shrine of winter was created to function similarly to the lord vessel) then it is safe to say that the great soul that is embraced near Freja is Seath's whether or not the dragon itself is actually Seath. Furthermore, it is plausible that From withheld Seath's soul due to the power of the weapons/spells it could be traded for as well as maintaining the flow that you kill a boss, you get that bosses soul as it could be confusing for new players otherwise.