Black Separation Crystal needs a penalty.

[Lord Tony]

I find it ♥♥♥♥♥♥♥♥ how some invader joins my world intent on killing me then runs off to use a Black Separation Crystal to escape. He is invading me, he wants to ♥♥♥♥ my ♥♥♥♥ up and he decides to leave because he doesn't want to lose. It's ♥♥♥♥♥♥♥♥.

[Wreckoning]

Yeah, the current penalty is that they waste the cracked orb they used to invade you. Same as always.

Now, as for why he black crystaled...what gear were you using? I have heard some people say ont he forums that they would black crystal out immeditately if the person being invaded was a Havelyn, or a Havelmage, or a Helixodon user, so as not to give the person he's invading the satisfaction of winning and thus discourage the use of said builds.

[jay jay the dank planezinho]

When I get summoned as a red phantom to duel and the host heals with estus, I use the mock gesture and crystal out. honestly, I don't really care that much about people healing, I just do it for the lols. most of the time it's better to just crystal spear or forbidden sun their faces (things that they don't expect since I play melee most of the time lol).

As for invasions... i crystal out when I don't find the host. Sometimes I like to play the cat and mouse game, sometimes I don't. I never crystal out to run away though. that sounds lame.

I don't think it should receive a penalty though. It's not like he's alt f4 and he wouldn't lose anything if died anyway. besides, how would the game know the right time to punish the use of the black crystal?

[ChaosBahamut]

I'd say if the invader leaves your game through the Black Crystal it counts as the host defeating him. (and as such said host would be awarded the appropriate number of souls)

[jay jay the dank planezinho]

Messaggio originale di ChaosBahamut:

I'd say if the invader leaves your game through the Black Crystal it counts as the host defeating him. (and as such said host would be awarded the appropriate number of souls)

yep. might as well give SM cheaters another way to screw the SM of other players. besides, even if cheaters weren't a problem, that doesn't sound right. gaining souls just because the invader left your world? I don't see this working well.

[Metroidkiller]

yes great idea, when you invade a hacker now you have to ♥♥♥♥ around instead of crystaling and moveing on.

[Someguy029, esq.]

I use the black crystal when I'm facing a hacker. Not gonna waste my time with it. Speaking of which, just made use of it.

[Azrahan]

If they want to run away, that's 10k souls wasted for them, plus their time, and the embarassment of having run away in the first place if they did it because they were losing. Sounds like plenty of penalty to me.

[Lord Tony]

Now if they are leaving because the host is using estus or have havel that's just ridiculous. You are INVADING him! You decided to invade because you wanted to wreck someone's game.
The invader should expect the worst.

You don't lose anything out of death as a red phantom anyways.

[Phelsarus'Beel]

Dunno about PvP but even in PvE the Crystal is a stupid thing. Just recently i was helping out with the Old Dragonslayer nearly beat it and at the last few hits the host just BC me and another phantom out. I mean realy what does he gain from that (although he was a scrubby hex spammer so i hope he still lost even after that)

[Empress Misery]

Messaggio originale di FumetsuSmith:

Now, as for why he black crystaled...what gear were you using? I have heard some people say ont he forums that they would black crystal out immeditately if the person being invaded was a Havelyn, or a Havelmage, or a Helixodon user, so as not to give the person he's invading the satisfaction of winning and thus discourage the use of said builds.

Judging from the OPs other thread:

Messaggio originale di Lord Tony:

I have 126 ♥♥♥♥ing poise. With full havels. Someone hits me with a tiny little dagger on the first hit I get stunned. Next hit I get stunned. Every single hit from that dagger I got stunned. What the ♥♥♥♥ is going on?

That was probably likely the reason why they did? Not that it's right to do or anything. quite the opposite, Havels are really fun to acid surge and corrosive urn, an oppotunity missed.

[Cake for Mumm-Ra]

Messaggio originale di Thor the Thundergod:

Dunno about PvP but even in PvE the Crystal is a stupid thing. Just recently i was helping out with the Old Dragonslayer nearly beat it and at the last few hits the host just BC me and another phantom out. I mean realy what does he gain from that (although he was a scrubby hex spammer so i hope he still lost even after that)

He was just being a d*ck. I see people do this when I sunbro sometimes. They'll get you to help beat a boss that they couldn't face alone, then rob you of your reward to make themselves feel like some kind of internet bad*ss.

[Azrahan]

Messaggio originale di Thor the Thundergod:

Dunno about PvP but even in PvE the Crystal is a stupid thing. Just recently i was helping out with the Old Dragonslayer nearly beat it and at the last few hits the host just BC me and another phantom out. I mean realy what does he gain from that (although he was a scrubby hex spammer so i hope he still lost even after that)

Quit blaming the items for people abusing them, folks. There's ♥♥♥♥♥♥♥♥ that abuse things for the wrong reasons in every game across the board.

[Phelsarus'Beel]

Messaggio originale di Nirathios:

Messaggio originale di Thor the Thundergod:

Dunno about PvP but even in PvE the Crystal is a stupid thing. Just recently i was helping out with the Old Dragonslayer nearly beat it and at the last few hits the host just BC me and another phantom out. I mean realy what does he gain from that (although he was a scrubby hex spammer so i hope he still lost even after that)

Quit blaming the items for people abusing them, folks. There's ♥♥♥♥♥♥♥♥ that abuse things for the wrong reasons in every game across the board.

I don't blame the item but rather the players that abuse said item as you do nothing but piss of other people and just show that your not a decend human being (and also show me that i can't trust you and also just BC out if you ever summon me again)

The item itself is fine as sometimes i get invaded right when i have to go so i use the crystal to send the invader back (although that happends rarely i fight each invader as long as its no Havelmage)

[Empress Misery]

Messaggio originale di Mandroid:

He was just being a d*ck. I see people do this when I sunbro sometimes. They'll get you to help beat a boss that they couldn't face alone, then rob you of your reward to make themselves feel like some kind of internet bad*ss.

I know some people who do that to stop your SM being raised once the boss is almost defeated. Which isn't exactly groundless, but annoying if you don't want that, or are a Sunbro.

[Foe]

Stop using havelix tryhard build and they will not use the item.