- Bleed - Seems useless in PvE.

[Kama Nightfire]

It can proc only once every 20~ seconds or so, considering you need to wait for the bleed-bar to decipate. This damage is around 300~ or so more when it procs, and reduced stamina *which doesn't do much if anything in PvE*. Considering using this as an infusion gimps your damage as a result as well.

It may be useful to punish those whom hide behind shields, as the proc by-passes blocking of course, but this is rare to be useful in PvE.

I honestly think the proc-bar needs to drain much faster, to allow people to be able to proc it again, and make it " somewhat " viable for PvE. It can stay the same as it is in PvP.


Poison also seems to have this issue, gimping damage and allowing poison to proc leaves the innate damage of poison on a weapon redundant until the poison-proc ends. Perhaps allow enemies that are poisoned to take a " slightly " harder hit when hit with a poison-infused weapon.


Just trying to debate my usefulness of a Powerstanced - Whip + Mytha Blade build. Seems Dex is a huge waste in DS2 compared to other statistics, as you can't make a full effective use for the bonus BNS of poison/bleed, which is what Dex is used for.


Anyone have any input on bleed/poison in general?

[♔ Affable 7th Wave Teaboo ♔]

Vendrick is said to be weak to it. I have not yet tested how weak he actually is, but if it is significant enough, then I see the use for bleed as another specific type of monster weakness that can be exploited by a knowledgeble player.

[Logicdecker]

You dont need to wait for proc again and it do stable 200 damage.

[Darko]

Personally I have yet to see bleeding to be useful in pvp too

[Argon]

Bleed is useless.

Poison can be OP if used correctly.

[Kemar]

I've made several bleed builds, the only viable ones are those focused on dual claws or whips. And you have to sacrifice a) one ring slot b) gauntlets. In PvP, it's probably the weakest build you can do.

[rawfodog]

http://www.reddit.com/r/DarkSouls2/comments/215rq4/spoiler_bosses_you_can_bleed_complete_the_list/

people dont use bleed much, i am actually trying to make bleed build with katanas. Its good on some parts of PvE but its effects can be hard to notice.

[Husk720]

Dual poison Spotted Whips +5 with 40 dex., Rat ring and Sanctum gloves say otherwise.

[Kama Nightfire]

The thing is the damage reduction of infusing bleed into a weapon isn't worth the trade-off~. That 200-300~ damage I hit after proccing bleed after 4-5 hits, I can get that by 1 normal hit with the weapon i'm using, or better yet the damage from the 4 hits initial without it infused.

The big downside to poison/bleed is the fact that after it procs, you're unable to proc again until the effect wears off~.

[Kama Nightfire]

Originally posted by Husk720:

Dual poison Spotted Whips +5 with 40 dex., Rat ring and Sanctum gloves say otherwise.

This only increases the poison-proc rate before it actually poisons, that's all.

That doesn't improve the weapons ability to dish out damage, you proc sooner, but you're still left without the innate ability until the effect wears off~.

[Husk720]

Originally posted by Kama Nightfire:

The big downside to poison/bleed is the fact that after it procs, you're unable to proc again until the effect wears off~.

Poison is already OP, so no need to stack it (unless you want to stack poison and toxic).

[Jill]

Originally posted by Husk720:

Dual poison Spotted Whips +5 with 40 dex., Rat ring and Sanctum gloves say otherwise.

why stop at 40 dex?

[Husk720]

Originally posted by cerret:

Originally posted by Husk720:

Dual poison Spotted Whips +5 with 40 dex., Rat ring and Sanctum gloves say otherwise.

why stop at 40 dex?

Just a softcap for me. Sure you can go to 99, but 40 is already enough to poison someone with dual L2 of whips in one hit.

[Kama Nightfire]

Originally posted by Husk720:

Originally posted by Kama Nightfire:

The big downside to poison/bleed is the fact that after it procs, you're unable to proc again until the effect wears off~.

Poison is already OP, so no need to stack it (unless you want to stack poison and toxic).

Poison is somewhat overpowered in PvP against those that don't use poison-moss or otherwise to cure it.

In PvE it adds 1045~ damage over 30~ seconds, this is fair enough on bosses that require you to stay away, but is not useful during normal gameplay and exploration.

Bleed only adds a small amount of damage for the trade, and is only useful in blocking/high defense mobs/bosses.

[Husk720]

Originally posted by Kama Nightfire:

Originally posted by Husk720:

Poison is already OP, so no need to stack it (unless you want to stack poison and toxic).

Poison is somewhat overpowered in PvP against those that don't use poison-moss or otherwise to cure it.

In PvE it adds 1045~ damage over 30~ seconds, this is fair enough on bosses that require you to stay away, but is not useful during normal gameplay and exploration.

Actually, if you have high enough poison damage, you can poison normal mobs in several hits of your weapon, which compensates the lower damage output of poison infused weapons.

[Kama Nightfire]

Originally posted by Husk720:

Originally posted by Kama Nightfire:

Poison is somewhat overpowered in PvP against those that don't use poison-moss or otherwise to cure it.

In PvE it adds 1045~ damage over 30~ seconds, this is fair enough on bosses that require you to stay away, but is not useful during normal gameplay and exploration.

Actually, if you have high enough poison damage, you can poison normal mobs in several hits of your weapon, which compensates the lower damage output of poison infused weapons.

Most enemies will die within 4-5 hits, and if they require more, by the time the poison procs i'll ahve to wait a fair bit for the poison to kill them, when instead I can poke them 2-3 more times and finish the job within 2-3 seconds, why wait?