Best spear? (excluding lances and halberds)

[Darkdog]

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NO santiers spear! Sorry if this has already been answered but its driving me crazy. Looking to make a dual wield spear build, mainly a thrusting build. The 2 from the blacksmith in majula break way too easy, im not that far into that game on this build but they broke half way though no mans warf, and they are +3. Should i ditch the spear build? I actually really like them but they break too easy but pack a fairly good punch. Any advice?

Long story short: Are there any GOOD spears, heide spear, winged? Any at all? Do i have to get late into the game for the good ones?

Thanks in advance :)


EDIT: I dont have DLC yet. Normal game spears that dont do anything like magic damage. Not planning on leveling up int/faith etc. Thankyou for now! I'll check out Yourgh's Spear!


EDIT 2: Thanks for all the answers guys! You're all amazing! Think ill check out Pate's Spear and the Silverback for now :) Cheers!

[JamuThatsWho]

Yorgh's Spear.

[Bird of Few Birds]

Yoghurts spear is the best lance-spear-twinblade combo on the market.

[Stir Fry]

Silverblack spear. Innate dark damage, good scaling. Sweet moveset. If it was legal in drangleic, I'd marry it.

[Merkava]

It depends on what your favored element is, if I had to pick the "best" spear I would pick one of these 3:

Heide Spear:
http://darksouls2.wikidot.com/heide-spear
Infused with Lightning and buffed with Sunlight Blade makes an insanely powerful PvE weapon, the ONLY problem is Sunlight's Blade low usage count. Even so it's pretty amazing even without the buff, It also has an amazing R2.

Silverblack Spear:
http://darksouls2.wikidot.com/silverblack-spear
Same as Heide's, just dark element. The benefit of this one is that Dark Weapon (the Dark buff) has a LOT more usage than Sunlight blade, making whole trips between bonfires doable. It's 2 handed R2 isn't as great but it's an amazing weapon regardless.

Pate's Spear
http://darksouls2.wikidot.com/pate-s-spear
This is the "best" spear if we speak in terms of RAW physical damage. It will get outclassed by Heide and Silverblack eventually but it has very nice base stats.

People mention Yorgh's Spear but can't say I am a big fan of it. People just seem to have a fascination with its diverse moveset but its damage isn't THAT amazing and it reduces your elemental defense.

[Big Boom Boom]

Dragonslayer, Yorgh, Pike and Stone Soldier Spear has longest reach. Powerstance them makes your opponent cry.

Why people like Yorgh: best raw damage and longest reach. Moveset? Who cares, all you need to do is poke.

[Bird of Few Birds]

Originally posted by Merkava:

its damage isn't THAT amazing

What are you gonna say next, the sky isn't blue?
Or, or maybe, birds don't fly.

[Bargingo]

Pate's Spear

[Walther III]

Pate's for physical damage.
Heide for Physical + Elemental.
but i got a soft spot for the Winged Spear, because i like dressing one of my characters as a Roman Soldier, and it looks pretty neat.

[Jill]

Originally posted by Merkava:

People mention Yorgh's Spear but can't say I am a big fan of it. People just seem to have a fascination with its diverse moveset but its damage isn't THAT amazing and it reduces your elemental defense.

Yorgh's Spear does around 300 base + good scaling (around 150 with a 50STR/50DEX build), and it INCREASES your elemental defense, not reduces.

[Walther III]

Originally posted by cerret:

Originally posted by Merkava:

People mention Yorgh's Spear but can't say I am a big fan of it. People just seem to have a fascination with its diverse moveset but its damage isn't THAT amazing and it reduces your elemental defense.

Yorgh's Spear does around 300 base + good scaling (around 150 with a 50STR/50DEX build), and it INCREASES your elemental defense, not reduces.

Decreases Lightning, Magic, Fire and Dark Defense.
While increasing Poison, Bleed, Curse and Petrify.
So it is pretty much the optimal "do it all" PvE weapon, but unless you're stacked on resists + Ring of Dissipation, might screw you over in PvP.

[Jill]

Originally posted by Knight Artorias:

Originally posted by cerret:

Yorgh's Spear does around 300 base + good scaling (around 150 with a 50STR/50DEX build), and it INCREASES your elemental defense, not reduces.

Decreases Lightning, Magic, Fire and Dark Defense.
While increasing Poison, Bleed, Curse and Petrify.
So it is pretty much the optimal "do it all" PvE weapon, but unless you're stacked on resists + Ring of Dissipation, might screw you over in PvP.

ah, haven't used Yorgh's since shortly after the DLC came out. new information must have passed me by, everyone was saying it was a flat increase across the board with the exception of poison resist being higher.

[sensh]

If you are going to dual wield, Yorgh's spear is absolutely terrible.
I'd go for dual partizan's +10. They don't repe your stamina as bad as Yorgh's, are faster and deal just as much damage even with 40/40. Dual wielding any spear for PVE is terrible though since durability gets destroyed regardless. I'd recommend having a secondary pve weapon.

Also flame weapon on right hand, dark resin on left hand. Prepare to never lose in pvp with that ♥♥♥♥.

[Merkava]

Originally posted by super scare:

What are you gonna say next, the sky isn't blue?
Or, or maybe, birds don't fly.

http://www.britannica.com/list/34/8-birds-that-cant-fly

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ro2MmmdARrs&channel=1veritasium

Being educated helps. Regardless, what I stated was an opinion, nothing else. Yogh's spear IS powerful but its extremely slow (this is specially important against bosses). But when you factor in DPS (damage per SECOND) then it's not that far ahead of a properly infused elemental spear. Not to mention that it weights a crap load and is anything BUT a spear (Its a lance for all intends and purposes).

Regardless, the TC said that he doesn't have DLC so Yorgh's is out of the question and he clearly states he is both early game and wants to dual wield poke. I haven't double stanced Yorgh's spear but I doubt it will come with a spear poke moveset.

It's all a matter of taste but if the TC likes spears and hopes that Yorgh's SPEAR is going to act like a spear at all then he's bound to be dissapointed. Ultimately it's worth a shot but thats pretty much endgame. Not to mention the TC plain said he doesn't want a Lance.

Heide's Spear isn´t that far of from where he is (just have to finish No Man's Wharf).