Lost Chapter
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654321 Nov 21, 2023 @ 7:00am
(Including spoilers) Discussion about the story
I didn't meet all events and just finish some endings. And I played the game in other language so I'm not sure about the name.

The character we control has the soul of Lilia and the body of Selene.
1. In many events, people mentioned that the kingdom was destroyed by the demon. Does it refer to Lilia?
2. Why Lilia destroy the kingdom?
3. I remembered that the king said he refuse the reign of the goddess of the moon. Then why Selene still pray to the goddess of the moon ?
4. In ending4, Lilia said something like "It's good for someone who doesn't have the blessing of the goddess of the moon". So does Lilia have the blessing of the goddess of the moon?

These problems may be due to misunderstandings caused by incorrect translations, but I cannot read Japanese. Looking forward to your answer. Thank you.
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Green Cat Nov 22, 2023 @ 8:20pm 
Regarding 4, I just had said ending, and what MC said was "body of a demon" and I don't recall anything to be mentioned regarding a blessing and won't replay just to double check....

from the kings story: He said he rejected the moon Goddess = most likely the goddess was not happy at all, and decided she will serve divine punishments to all of them via violence, typical religious stuff (aka question 2)

An angel are demons in the eyes of those who are being attacked and killed (question 1)

The kingdom managed to trap the demon, aka goddess in the dark word, via swamping the souls in the bodies? (have no proof) Because the one goddess body is the moon goddess priestess. Because in ending 3 it is mentioned about how MC intentionally did the swamp so that the priestess can leave and see the outside world

The prince (prisoner left outside, meet again at ocean beach) mentions about how everyone is trapped due to regrets preventing them from passing on, as in himself and MC being the only ones alive while the rest are death who are bound in that world due to regrets.

if you have the white key and go to the corridor left, use white key, you get a statue of the moon goddess where the text says she looks just like you. So there is no question that she is the moon goddess. While like I mentioned at the beginning, ending 4 confirms she is also the demon who was trapped.

let me put it like this, do you see all the sexual stuff? Like how if you go to the church where regardless the priest (good or perverted), or that room that looks like heaven and hell, both talk about a "master", and if you "receive" (sexual curse) blessing, you end up with +5 Faith? if said master is a demon, why does faith increase instead of decreasing? Unless of course, said master is the same moon goddess who most likely covers sexual pleasure, lust. So this would also make sense why the king decided to reject her. A good example is if MC is corrupted enough, why she can reverse rape the king, who, instead of enjoying it (not talking about biological reactions cause by stimulation), he feels regret as he turns into red dust (aka he is not for sex for sake of "freedom" and pleasure)

Anyways, this is all I managed to piece together. Take with a very strong grain of salt as I might have got it completely wrong. And that's if there is any logic. As an example, the 4 guardians of course make no sens, since they where before the DLC, as everything to do with the goddess, including ending 3 and 4, added more details via DLC iirc. So the boss from floor 100 is the original demon. While with the dlc, it adds a plot twist more info, so there might be a case of us trying to make sens where there is an open plot (left for everyone to fill up however they want VS clear events regarding story)
Last edited by Green Cat; Nov 22, 2023 @ 8:23pm
654321 Nov 23, 2023 @ 5:43am 
Oh, you put forward many viewpoints that I hadn't thought of before. Thank you.
I'll think about them when playing the game.
Green Cat Nov 23, 2023 @ 10:58am 
Originally posted by 654321:
Oh, you put forward many viewpoints that I hadn't thought of before. Thank you.
I'll think about them when playing the game.

Please do so as there is a high chance i misunderstood or/and mixed up who said what, including missing key information, since i wrote out of memory without taking notes or similar
Green Cat Nov 23, 2023 @ 6:51pm 
Originally posted by 654321:
Oh, you put forward many viewpoints that I hadn't thought of before. Thank you.
I'll think about them when playing the game.

ha..ha..ha.... I'm just found out, that if I don't instantly KO the last boss via infinite turn and other strategies.... the 2 will have a very interesting conversation....

BTW, the more people you saved, the more red cards turn blue. If you play a blue card, the conversation advances. If you play a red card, nothing.

So.... what did I just learn? The the last boss clearly said that when the demon attacked (aka MC), she prayed to the Moon Goddess so she (the priestess) and the demon (MC) will swap bodies.

So the Demon (MC) and the Priestess (last boss) swamped bodies because the moon goddess fulled said wish

Also, the more you play the blue cards, last bosses appearance changes.... to a more sex oriented being. So yeah, the people praying where one for the goddess and another for this demon who is lustful or whatever the correct phrasing would be

Also, apparently it was the priestess (last boss) who was shining MC's path in the darkness.

From the conversation of the prince killing the king, apparently the king (who was a former hero, aka special powers) had a big roll in maintaining the darkness and without him, it's possible to leave (aka he caused this trap via using the regrets of everyone as an energy.... or something like this???? sorry, I have no clue if I understood correctly of if just translation or anything?)
654321 Nov 24, 2023 @ 8:05am 
Originally posted by Green Cat:
Originally posted by 654321:
Oh, you put forward many viewpoints that I hadn't thought of before. Thank you.
I'll think about them when playing the game.

ha..ha..ha.... I'm just found out, that if I don't instantly KO the last boss via infinite turn and other strategies.... the 2 will have a very interesting conversation....

BTW, the more people you saved, the more red cards turn blue. If you play a blue card, the conversation advances. If you play a red card, nothing.

So.... what did I just learn? The the last boss clearly said that when the demon attacked (aka MC), she prayed to the Moon Goddess so she (the priestess) and the demon (MC) will swap bodies.

So the Demon (MC) and the Priestess (last boss) swamped bodies because the moon goddess fulled said wish

Also, the more you play the blue cards, last bosses appearance changes.... to a more sex oriented being. So yeah, the people praying where one for the goddess and another for this demon who is lustful or whatever the correct phrasing would be

Also, apparently it was the priestess (last boss) who was shining MC's path in the darkness.

From the conversation of the prince killing the king, apparently the king (who was a former hero, aka special powers) had a big roll in maintaining the darkness and without him, it's possible to leave (aka he caused this trap via using the regrets of everyone as an energy.... or something like this???? sorry, I have no clue if I understood correctly of if just translation or anything?)

Oh, so you can defeat the final boss before you run out of these special cards? Wow you have a really powerful deck. But you might miss lots of conversation as you said.

I was surprised that you can make a lot of points when you didn't get these conversations. And many of them correspond to these conversations.

These special cards turn into blue when you meet the condition. You can press "shift" during the battle to see its details. These cards works like "thoughts" card. As far as know, it has no relationship with how many people you saved.

Each time you played such an unlocked card, aka the blue cards you said, there will be a corresponding conversation. During these conversations, what the final boss said is the same, while what MC said is totally different.

There are 3+2+1 special thoughts cards. After using the first 3 cards, the final boss turned into the second phase. I don't think she become more sexy. I just feel that she becomes sadder. Then after using the next 2 cards, the final boss's power become lower, your card will deal more damage to her. Then you will get the last 1 special thoughts card. However, the unlock condition for the last 1 is "win this battle". So you cannot unlock it. And in each turn, it will randomly turn one of you hand card to it. So you need to defeat the boss in limited time, otherwise all your cards will be changed.

For your information, I'll list all the special thoughts cards and their unlock conditions and the unlocked cards here:
(For card's name, I'll list both Chinese and English translated by myself, since I didn't play the English version game)

我要保护这里(I need to protect this place): take attacks from the boss for at least 4 times.
Unlock reward: "埃托罗斯的守护"(The guardian of Etoros)

我不想败给你(I don't want to lose to you): make the boss's life point lower than 80%
Unlock reward: "勇者的资质"(The qualifications of a brave man)

不能放弃(cannot give up): have 10 AP.
Unlock reward: "英杰的羁绊"(The bond of heroism)

After you using the 3 unlocked cards above, the boss turns into the second phase, and you will be given the following 2 cards in you deck :

好黑啊(It's so dark): only have this card in your hand
Unlock reward: "民众的祈愿"(The prayers of the people)

好冷啊(It's so cold): have used more than 15 cards
Unlock reward: "众生的念想"(The thoughts of the people)

And the last 1:

好寂寞啊(So lonely.): win this battle
Cannot be unlocked.
654321 Nov 24, 2023 @ 8:44am 
And I want to give some different opinions with you.

First of all, there is a small error that the "heaven and hell" event doesn't increase your faith.

And I think Selene is not a priestess. She is an ordinary girl as she said during the end battle conversation. You will see the following sentences after you played all 5 unlocked special "blue" cards I mentioned above.

(translated by machine)

You're obviously me !!
Just a powerless girl who can't do anything but pray !!
Those weak legs, they can't even cross the river !!
Seeing fallen passersby, you cannot save them !!
You don't have a penny on you !!
You can't even get a loaf of bread for an orphan !!
Even so... why !!
……Why, can you still stand in front of me !!!!


As for the statue, the sculptor have said that he know who MC is. He said that MC is "the most prayerful girl he ever met". If he made that statue, then it is understandable why the statue looks like MC. It was common to carve idols in the likeness of the most devout believers. And the sculptor is the only one who recognize MC. Not even the king or the prince knew her. So I think that Selene is just a common girl.

I have never finished a black key and don't know the story of Long Corridor black door. And I heard that there exists a situation that MC break the statue. And if this situation happened, you will be doomed to ending 4. I don't know the trigger condition. Or I may be confusing cause and effect. It might be that if you meet the confition of ending 4, then you will destroy the statue. It seems that you have ever met this event. Could you tell me how to trigger it?

And I have finished ending 4 using the official translated Chinese version game. However, to be honest, the official translation is so bad. Many referential pronouns are wrong. I don't know the quality of the official English translation. But I don't understand Japanese.

Then I found an unofficial translated version, and I can finally understand the true meaning. I just finish ending 3. I'll go throught ending 4 again when I have time, but might be several days or weeks later.
Green Cat Nov 24, 2023 @ 2:36pm 
Currently I am NOT able to read the above 2 comments since I don't wish to forget what I want to test out (soon begin game, don't want to add more "check this and that"), so as I started reading I realised... nope, tomorrow!

What I saw, was it was mentioned that I have a powerful deck -> Warning, what I write is very easily done in practice. 90% of what I wrote (yes, I came back to add this part) is just explaining why I chose this instead of other methods. Also, the most powerfully cards are lewd card.... used correctly.... enemy won't even have a turn since they are "drained to move"

YES. Look at the thread discussion (steam) at Tips. I wrote there clearly how I obtain OP cards.

I am doing 300-600 floors before fighting the boss exactly because I'm exploring the world

Each time I manged to beat said final boss, aka walk to the screen (press shift or Down (arrow) during the boss floor), beat white (<- hardest since can't see cards:).), beat black next time, and finally final boss, is because I had card that did NOT let my opponent move at all. All you need is pet the cat to get lewd cards. As you farm the titles, one give 2 taunt. Almost all the red chooses give you those piercing cards you can use on black card space for any lewd card. Aka any enemy, including boss, will unable to even attack MC exactly because they are to busy to even think. Add Levy suit to make money, repeat with each enemy. You make easily 10k towards 30 k. All you need is to increase virtue until you get the beggar event where you donate around 30 K, so after getting the corridor event (fingers corridor to get it sooner), chose right corridor, and you get 90K

I have not mess around since I always want to ensure I don't die. So of course I had multiple of said card (the one doing damage based on how much money you have) before attacking final boss despite it being floor 80, or 100 (depends how fast I do the beggar triple money trick, as sometimes I need to do it 2 times).

And again, on the tip thread, I wrote about the curiosity of the unkown how it double your stats, combine that with the card that does x5 times damage based on your sword icon value.... use psy up even before to double the mage. Use a Mirror as well.....

ok ok, let's say your sword value is 50. If you use said damage card, that's 250 damage. If you use the curiosity of unknow, that's 500. With psych up, that's 1000 damage. If you add a mirror (who is not doubled damaged) that's 1500 damage. Or if you insted use another psy up and the 5x time sword (sorry, I forgot that cards name-.-) that's 2000 damage=)) and there is the card that add 7 AP that again, I mentioned in that thread (can't start game to check names since I'm writing this), that well, make it possible to use said card.... And again, I am going for 100% save. Because I'm aware there is a certain card that makes all AP cost only 2 AP, but that will prevent the [card that adds 7 AP] to transform, and without this transformation, the card "curiosity of unknown" will NOT transform. cutting in halve the damage input. 1 card to reduce all AP to 2, let's say you have all titles and bonus AP via the hallways -> left corridor -> open door using white key, so 50 (sword value) x 5 (times) x 4 (cards) = 1000 damage only. And this is assuming you have the white key or similar AP booster....

oh, btw, all I wrote above. It's actually very simple. It just sound so complicated as I'm not good at explaining and wording.....

Speaking of which.... the white room.... when MC opened, iirc correctly, it says, there is a statue of the moon goddess and she look like you.... i forgot about this-.-

Anyways, will come back tomorrow to read
654321 Nov 25, 2023 @ 5:14am 
Oh, now I understand the deck strategy. Very nice. I might have a try sometime later.
D-Wolf Dec 12, 2023 @ 10:31pm 
Anyone feel like Lillia and Selean read as sisters?
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