Alternative scenario on American mission 15?

[j2o1707]

So, on the 20 minute mark after you gain full control of the troops, Joan Fergusson turns up with computer vehicles as reinforcements, assuming you help her in mission 14 and destroy the Russian base.

For the first time in my years and years of playing, instead of Joan, Vsevelod I. Gorky appears claiming to have killed her. He never appears in the American campaign so it was a surprise to see him. Anyone know why this happened? I may have been playing a moderated version but I've played all the mods and still never seen this alternative scenario.

[moonpig]

I remember reading somewhere the event itself was bugged and thus never happened until a certain patch. But basically, I think if you leave Joan to fend for herself, it is implied that Sevi conquers Kappa base and kills her. (so instead of her showing up with reinforcements, he appears as the "reinforcements" in a way).

I'm not sure if the event plays any different if Joan dies early on the campaign, as Lisa Lawson can appear as commander of Kappa base in her place, who in turn gets replaced by Connie Traverse if she dies.

[Sticky Wicket]

Gorky does appear in the American Campaign very briefly when you have to test the siberite rocket in the desert. (You are supposed to ambush him on his way through remember...).

In a fairly recent playthrough I found it very difficult to make sure Joan would turn up in the final mission tho, it's not as easy as it used to be to make sure Joan is still alive, even if you blow up the whole Russian Base & Joan saying " I can handle it form here...." it doesn't always work.

I'm guessing that: 1) you didn't successfully ambush Gorky in the desert, and he escaped (which is something I've never let happen) and 2) you didnt fulfill all the requirements of the penultimate mission, and Gorky murdered Joan, and then came to see you to gloat over it.

Edit: (I just relooked at my old post on this forum about this) & Im leaving this additional bit in unspoiler since it might be useful to others: to make sure you keep Joan alive for the next mission, you have to make sure John gets to the top right corner before You get the cutscene with Joan.

[Gravitr]

If I remember correctly Vsevolod appears in am15 only if Joan is dead and your depot is destroyed in am14.

[j2o1707]

Ahh I will run through what happened in the relevant stages.

I killed Burlak in AM 13 mission.

AM 14 mission, I used map editor (I've completed this game over 100 times. I still play it to this day despite knowing every bloody word and finding myself repeating some of the phrases in real life situations) and deleted the depot in AM14 to place it in a better postion to place defenses in the bottom right part of the base. I can only assume that is what has caused this to happen as I've never had the depot (warehouse) be destroyed by the Russians and still go on to kill all the russian units and destroy the depot (which is what triggers the dialogue "Ok now i have to be on my way." "Ok John, I can take it from here.")

So, the depot was deleted in editor (game has seen this as depot destroyed which makes sense), but Joan didn't die at any point. I did edit her skills but I've done this multiple times before in multiple playthroughs and had not come across this.

Also I'm NOT refering to Burlak here, I'm refering to his brother, Sevi. I will post a screenshot soon and show you the dialogue between him and John as I have a save about 12 minutes on the timer.

[j2o1707]

I'm not very good with steam so I am not sure how to post screenshots on comment sections like here. They are viewable on my profile though if you take a look.

[Sticky Wicket]

Firstly, if you want to paste screenie here:

View your game page screenshot library & upload the picture, or if its already uploaded then:

Go to the Share button> it will give you a link. Copy and paste the link straight into your forum post. ( Highlight link, ctrl+C (copy), Ctrl+v (paste) ) the picture wont show until you actually post your comment.

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Vsevolod turning up is usually what happens when you havn't done mission 14 properly and Joan is then considered dead.

Like you I have played this many times over the years, and as pointed out earlier that mission is now a lot trickier to get right than it used to be. I think it can almost certainly be considered to be a bit buggy now.

Even if you destroy the base and everyone in it, and get the cutscene lines with John and Joan; seemingly giving the impression that all is well: it may not be!
Yes, it used to be that all was well once you got to that point, but not any more. There seem to be several solutions, but I found that you have to make sure John is in a vehicle and in that top right hand corner mission exit point before you get that cutscene. It's a bit tricky to time it right.....But I have found if that cutscene gets triggered before you get there, the mission ends and even though it says *successful* actually it isn't.

Other people have solutions like Joan being in the exit point too.

I think in all honesty the scritping for that mission needs seriously reviewing, something with the ending parameters has changed from the original game.

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And yes I too have often found myself repeating the words form that mission in RL

"Fight you chicken-livered sh**s, Fight!" often comes in handly at the local supermarket or something...you get the idea. :D

[j2o1707]

https://steamcommunity.com/sharedfiles/filedetails/?id=1618942741

Thanks mate!

I'll have to try that way, I'm just so pleasantly surprised to find something new in this game. Has this always been a thing do you know?

My quote that I can never not repeat in my head at least once a week is "You are a bastard, Macmillan. A bastard, who has the bomb!"

[Sticky Wicket]

Yw.

Those nasty so-and-so's with their back door commie attack! :p

Yep this has always been a thing that happens if you don't save Joan.

That voice-over for Platinov is priceless and Franks one-liners always get me too :D

[j2o1707]

My all time favourite terrible voice work of anything has to go to Sevi in the RU mission 10 beginning cutscene. "Marshall - Americans are attacking... Tuckerevsky... base... to the north.

[Ayashi Yuki]

Recently I had same problem and somehow I solved it. In mission US14 I went directly to Joan, got three medals + no save medal and then Vsevolod attacked me in mission US15. I managed that in mission US14 I needed to ride with Macmillan the road to right side of map, until Joan Called for help. I answered her, promised help and THEN I went to her. I did the same thing, got 3+1 medals and voila, in mission US15 Joan appeared with reinforcements... Hope it will help.