Add character creation and delay it

[Krisz]

Basicly title. No reason for pre-created characters to exists. You can just basicly do that with classes.

If you wont manage to make REALLY well designed heroes (which I doubt seeing the trailer) people wont play the game.

For example: I tanked for years in WoW but even there, tanks are rare. Now imagine if people like me wont even touch the tank class because of your design choices.

This will lead to real problems. Gives character creations cause it will be needed. Better to suffer first and delay a bit than say "byebye" to the entire game.

[Dan]

引用自 Dryce：

These are delightfully cherrypicked achievements you are using.

Firstly this isn't all wow players, this is all of the people who have profiles on Wowhead, which leans FAR more towards hardcore players and not casuals. I played WoW since the original release and don't have a Wowhead profile. I've also done Mythic+ and not the raid.

Second, the Mythic+ achievement is VERY specific to anyone that did Mythic+ during only season 1. If someone didn't play during season 1 and do Mythic+ they aren't counted even if they did Mythic+ before or after that season. Meanwhile the raid achievement has no such limit.

For several expansions now Mythic+ is the end-game of WoW. Every raider has to do it for gear so the idea that more people are doing the raids than Mythic+ is just silly.

I'll grant you that it didn't occur to me that the profiles mentioned on the achievement page was specific to Wowhead profiles, but if it is the case that as you said hardcore players are more likely to register and report on Wowhead, that the % of players completing M+ would be greater, and yet the % of profiles that have achieved Keystone Explorer is still only 36%. Why are these seemingly hardcore players not completing a single M+ dungeon. Additionally, if Wowhead profiles lean "far more towards hardcore players and not casuals" then that's great because that ultimately proves my point that Mythic+ is not being done by 70%-80% of players, which is the claim the OP made.

On a side note, Season 2 doesn't start until the 4th, so all Season 1 related achievements are still possible to obtain until then, so the comparison is fine.

[Sanglaine]

I am going to agree. I don't really like the way the characters look and a character creator would help with that a lot.

[Krisz]

引用自 Dan：

You....You actually have zero idea what you are talking about. Re-read my post and try to understand that I am not speaking on vibes here. You can literally look up the stats.

The War Within Keystone Explorer: Season One is an achievement that is tied NOT TO RATING, but to the action of completing a SINGLE TIMED M+ RUN. You can view the total number of people who have achieved this achievement on this link: https://www.wowhead.com/achievement=20523/the-war-within-keystone-explorer-season-one. On that page you can see that 36% of player profiles have that achievement.

The achievement for having killed EVERY SINGLE BOSS on NORMAL can be found here:
https://www.wowhead.com/achievement=40244/nerub-ar-palace. On that page you can see that 49% of wow profiles have achieved it.

Fact is, there are more people who have fully cleared Nerub Ar Palace, than there are people who have completed a SINGLE M+ run.

(Also, I don't know why you felt the need to post a raider.io profile like that somehow proves your point. Congrats on getting 2600 rating. Your raid and M+ parses are actually abysmal, way to sandbag every group you were in lol. )

As I said. You do not play WoW. Nerubar palace can be cleared on raid finder and etc.

M+ achievements do not come by itself. Getting an M+ achievement is pretty hard. Because you need a rating for that. Honestly, why are you talking if you do not play that game?

You are like a virgin, talking about sex while never experiencing it, lecturing someone who actually does it.

You do not know how achievements are working in that game.

Go on, ask WoW subreddit what is the (almost) only reason playing. Spoiler: It's M+.

Raiding is not an Esport, M+ is. Raiding does have a competitive scene between around 20 guilds WORLDWIDE.

Man... you have 0 clue about what you talking and you are still doing it.

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Fun fact: Raider.io is the one where players registering mostly, not WoWhead. Wowhead is more like a wiki.

Damn, you really do not know that game. I was pretty high ranked mage (as you can see my profile, after not playing for 2 months, I'm still decent) and yet I'm not registered on wowhead.

[Dan]

引用自 Krisz：

As I said. You do not play WoW. Nerubar palace can be cleared on raid finder and etc.

M+ achievements do not come by itself. Getting an M+ achievement is pretty hard. Because you need a rating for that. Honestly, why are you talking if you do not play that game?

You are like a virgin, talking about sex while never experiencing it, lecturing someone who actually does it.

You do not know how achievements are working in that game.

Go on, ask WoW subreddit what is the (almost) only reason playing. Spoiler: It's M+.

Raiding is not an Esport, M+ is. Raiding does have a competitive scene between around 20 guilds WORLDWIDE.

Man... you have 0 clue about what you talking and you are still doing it.

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Fun fact: Raider.io is the one where players registering mostly, not WoWhead. Wowhead is more like a wiki.

Damn, you really do not know that game. I was pretty high ranked mage (as you can see my profile, after not playing for 2 months, I'm still decent) and yet I'm not registered on wowhead.

Buddy you have to stop saying I don't play wow as if I also haven't gotten KSH and Heroic Raid clear. Its not that special.

Its clear that your reading comprehension is poor because you don't seem to be able to read my posts and seem to have a hard time responding to them. Ill try to make it easy for you:

1. Keystone Explorer is NOT tied to rating. You are confusing it with Keystone Conqueror, Master and Hero, which ARE tied to rating.

2. I specified Normal for a reason. There isn't even a seasonal achievement for LFR. As far as Wowhead profiles are concerned, more people have cleared Normal Nerub-ar than they have a +2.

3. You said before that 70%-80% of wow players do M+. THAT is the real point I am arguing against, because that stat is simply not the case. You can even check this with Raider.io and see the % of Raider.Io characters that have that achievement. Keystone Conqueror is achieved by 52% of the character logged on Raider.io

[Krisz]

引用自 Dan：

Buddy you have to stop saying I don't play wow as if I also haven't gotten KSH and Heroic Raid clear. Its not that special.

Its clear that your reading comprehension is poor because you don't seem to be able to read my posts and seem to have a hard time responding to them. Ill try to make it easy for you:

1. Keystone Explorer is NOT tied to rating. You are confusing it with Keystone Conqueror, Master and Hero, which ARE tied to rating.

2. I specified Normal for a reason. There isn't even a seasonal achievement for LFR. As far as Wowhead profiles are concerned, more people have cleared Normal Nerub-ar than they have a +2.

3. You said before that 70%-80% of wow players do M+. THAT is the real point I am arguing against, because that stat is simply not the case. You can even check this with Raider.io and see the % of Raider.Io characters that have that achievement. Keystone Conqueror is achieved by 52% of the character logged on Raider.io

Link your profile as I did. Let's see, cause you were relying on Wowhead instead of raider.io. Which is the only real thing.

[Azazar]

+++

[Partyrock]

引用自 Krisz：

Basicly title. No reason for pre-created characters to exists. You can just basicly do that with classes.

If you wont manage to make REALLY well designed heroes (which I doubt seeing the trailer) people wont play the game.

For example: I tanked for years in WoW but even there, tanks are rare. Now imagine if people like me wont even touch the tank class because of your design choices.

This will lead to real problems. Gives character creations cause it will be needed. Better to suffer first and delay a bit than say "byebye" to the entire game.

I have to say that default characters really take away from the game.

[Sloom]

Character creation would be nice, but very not necessary. The amount of people who would care probably wouldn't justify adding the system. There are many many great games with less character customization.

Would be nice. Not worth whining this much over.

[Surreal]

Im not seeing a problem with Hero characters we cant alter the appearance of. Im not someone that sits around in town wearing the latest $50 skin or mount or w/e and im too busy playing the game to stare at my character while NOT in town.

I do hope they increase the character roster and quickly though. The demo is rather solid and iv only run into one bug and its not even game breaking or an issue, more funny than anything.

But if a game not giving you character appearance customization is a make or break for you, I hope you go find another dungeon crawler minus the MMO aspects if you are looking for one. Much rather not have devs poorly implement something at this stage for it to look like ♥♥♥♥, be ♥♥♥♥ and make the game worse overall than just sticking to their guns and making the game they wanna make.

This game also pulls from various sources. Hero games like MOBAs or Hero shooters like Marvel/Overwatch definitely have some parts in the source pool here. Not just MMO dungeons.

Overall I just hope this game comes out nicely, even if they cater to folks demanding something or they wont play. Hope they dont cater to silly demands at this point, but what can I do about it besides hope the game doesnt suffer from it.

[Dan]

引用自 Krisz：

Link your profile as I did. Let's see, cause you were relying on Wowhead instead of raider.io. Which is the only real thing.

https://raider.io/characters/us/malganis/Danethian
https://www.warcraftlogs.com/character/us/malganis/Danethian?zone=39

Posting character profiles is cringe because it shows you cant rely on the validity of your argument, but since you asked for them. I've literally gotten KSH every season since I started playing in DF, with the exception of DF season 3 which I stopped playing IRL reasons. My highest rating is 2732.3 in season 1 of DF, and have at least cleared heroic raid every tier since then.

Are you satisfied now? Have I played the game enough to satisfy you?

[eagardh]

I am glad to see there is a choice between a female Healer and a male Healer, but I too support adding character creation before launch or I for one will not be attracted to play this game.

add character creation +1

[scream1x]

Agree.Better to add character creation and a simple class system or a skill system to pick up and make a build.
As for now - lame idea

[Saint]

引用自 scream1x：

Agree.Better to add character creation and a simple class system or a skill system to pick up and make a build.
As for now - lame idea

Yeah and those games already exsist, go play them, this ISNT an MMO, its a character based dungeon runner

[Krisz]

引用自 Dan：

https://raider.io/characters/us/malganis/Danethian
https://www.warcraftlogs.com/character/us/malganis/Danethian?zone=39

Posting character profiles is cringe because it shows you cant rely on the validity of your argument, but since you asked for them. I've literally gotten KSH every season since I started playing in DF, with the exception of DF season 3 which I stopped playing IRL reasons. My highest rating is 2732.3 in season 1 of DF, and have at least cleared heroic raid every tier since then.

Are you satisfied now? Have I played the game enough to satisfy you?

Not really? Your profile just indicates that you played what? 2 weeks? My profile indicates something else. I told you that you have 0 clue what you are talking about.

Basicly just because you haven't touched any content, you think that M+ is not the main aspect of the game?

Damn... you are living in a bubble.

No wonder games are dying when people like you are giving feedbacks.

You are playing an M+ simulator when you came from WoW and you can't even recognize it. No wonder you do not know what this game needs when you do not even knew the game which inspired the whole thing.

You are missing points soooo hard.

[Dan]

引用自 Krisz：

Not really? Your profile just indicates that you played what? 2 weeks? My profile indicates something else. I told you that you have 0 clue what you are talking about.

Basicly just because you haven't touched any content, you think that M+ is not the main aspect of the game?

Damn... you are living in a bubble.

No wonder games are dying when people like you are giving feedbacks.

You are playing an M+ simulator when you came from WoW and you can't even recognize it. No wonder you do not know what this game needs when you do not even knew the game which inspired the whole thing.

You are missing points soooo hard.

God dude, either you don't know how to read (I suspect you just don't know how to use Raider.io) or you are trolling.

1. You can see on my mage profile that I played for 8 weeks this season and stopped when I got 2500 rating and AoTC. How long do you think your profile says you played for? Please tell me so I can confirm you don't actually know how to use raiderio. Did you even play before TWW?

2. You can also see that I got 2400 rating Season 3 of DF, AND AoTC. I also cleared 3/8 on Mythic Amirdrassil. I also got AoTC on

I can link you my other characters that all got AoTC and 2500-2700 rating Season 1 & 2 of DF. Also, not that I expect you to know what a parse is, but you conveniently dodged responding to me calling out your garbage parses? Like your head is so tied up in your rating that you don't even recognize that you are under performing for your level... its actually comical.