Add character creation and delay it

[Krisz]

Basicly title. No reason for pre-created characters to exists. You can just basicly do that with classes.

If you wont manage to make REALLY well designed heroes (which I doubt seeing the trailer) people wont play the game.

For example: I tanked for years in WoW but even there, tanks are rare. Now imagine if people like me wont even touch the tank class because of your design choices.

This will lead to real problems. Gives character creations cause it will be needed. Better to suffer first and delay a bit than say "byebye" to the entire game.

[Arxie]

Agreed, and while we're at it- can we make sure there's no cash shop? Games survived for a long time without them. Live-service games, even, via expansions and what could be equated nowadays to season passes (though they have evolved).

Please. I don't want to see people and know their money bought their outfit. That's just gross. What I can stomach is seeing someone who bought an expansion, completed some difficult content, and was rewarded with an outfit. I respect that person. I respect the studio. This whole era of pumping out $20 skin after $20 skin is just quite literally sucking potential out of the game. It isn't friendly.

"Well how is a live service game supposed to sustain itself in 2025 without a cash shop?"

Like I said above. Base price for the game. DLC. For gods sake, supporter bundles are more respectable. If there is THAT much overhead that it isn't sustainable with those, then something is wrong. Either it's too ambitious, not efficient enough in that new content releases too slowly, or not efficient enough in that too many resources are needed to get new content out for what it's worth.

[derdyg]

I agree—male and female options for all character classes. I don't want to play as Tariq, I want to play as the character I created.

[Krisz]

Originally posted by Arxie:

Agreed, and while we're at it- can we make sure there's no cash shop?

I do not mind cosmetics and etc... I might even support them if the game is good. However this forced character selection will be a no go for me.

[Saint]

This game is not a class based game, its a character game more a kin to league of legends, i think this is amazing, and im sure skins will come

[Krisz]

Originally posted by Saint:

This game is not a class based game, its a character game more a kin to league of legends, i think this is amazing, and im sure skins will come

The game will die if they stick to that. This will simply not work. I for one wont play a character which is not to my liking. Now imagine that people in general do not want to play tanks and if those tanks are not sympathic enough...well... do the math.

[Ranch]

So im a tank main in alot of mmos, i like to heal as well but i prefer tank. The tanking in this game is just bad. The aggro system is poor, and they need to figure it out. I also am majorly turned off by a lack of character creation. Every major game ive sunk time/money into has offered it. Especially for this genre.

[Draktok]

Originally posted by Krisz:

Originally posted by Saint:

This game is not a class based game, its a character game more a kin to league of legends, i think this is amazing, and im sure skins will come

The game will die if they stick to that. This will simply not work. I for one wont play a character which is not to my liking. Now imagine that people in general do not want to play tanks and if those tanks are not sympathic enough...well... do the math.

lots and lots of games survive just fine like that, from league to overwatch to marvel to path of exile to diablo , it's not uncommon at all.

[Ranch]

Originally posted by Draktok:

Originally posted by Krisz:

The game will die if they stick to that. This will simply not work. I for one wont play a character which is not to my liking. Now imagine that people in general do not want to play tanks and if those tanks are not sympathic enough...well... do the math.

lots and lots of games survive just fine like that, from league to overwatch to marvel to path of exile to diablo , it's not uncommon at all.

Now hold on a moment, lets walk this back. You said games like league, overwatch, marvel rivals, diablo, etc survive? Whats the difference between those and this? Oh ya those are made by multibillion dollar companies with decades of lore and experience to pull from with incredibly good character design and by the sheer volume of characters offers so many playstyles.
This game has 6 weak characters that dont look good or unique at all.

[Tom Bombadil]

Originally posted by Ranch:

Originally posted by Draktok:

lots and lots of games survive just fine like that, from league to overwatch to marvel to path of exile to diablo , it's not uncommon at all.

Now hold on a moment, lets walk this back. You said games like league, overwatch, marvel rivals, diablo, etc survive? Whats the difference between those and this? Oh ya those are made by multibillion dollar companies with decades of lore and experience to pull from with incredibly good character design and by the sheer volume of characters offers so many playstyles.
This game has 6 weak characters that dont look good or unique at all.

Riot Games does not have decades.

[Light91]

Originally posted by Krisz:

Basicly title. No reason for pre-created characters to exists. You can just basicly do that with classes.

If you wont manage to make REALLY well designed heroes (which I doubt seeing the trailer) people wont play the game.

For example: I tanked for years in WoW but even there, tanks are rare. Now imagine if people like me wont even touch the tank class because of your design choices.

This will lead to real problems. Gives character creations cause it will be needed. Better to suffer first and delay a bit than say "byebye" to the entire game.

I just played Helena and it plays exactly like a warrior, with paladin shield throw. I even set up my keybinds the exact same as my warrior. I'm not a fan of 'heroes' either but I can live with them as long as there are more than two which there should be as this is just a demo.

[Mants]

Originally posted by Draktok:

Originally posted by Krisz:

The game will die if they stick to that. This will simply not work. I for one wont play a character which is not to my liking. Now imagine that people in general do not want to play tanks and if those tanks are not sympathic enough...well... do the math.

lots and lots of games survive just fine like that, from league to overwatch to marvel to path of exile to diablo , it's not uncommon at all.

Yes, but as a stand-in for WoW, I would expect a character creator. In fact, I don't see myself playing this long-term without it.

[Draktok]

Originally posted by Ranch:

Originally posted by Draktok:

lots and lots of games survive just fine like that, from league to overwatch to marvel to path of exile to diablo , it's not uncommon at all.

Now hold on a moment, lets walk this back. You said games like league, overwatch, marvel rivals, diablo, etc survive? Whats the difference between those and this? Oh ya those are made by multibillion dollar companies with decades of lore and experience to pull from with incredibly good character design and by the sheer volume of characters offers so many playstyles.
This game has 6 weak characters that dont look good or unique at all.

Uh, league was started by a small company and was not a billion dollar company. Neither was poe. Diablo 2 even was still a smaller company at the time, albiet bigger.

Marvel, overwatch, I will give you.

[Ranch]

Originally posted by Draktok:

Originally posted by Ranch:

Now hold on a moment, lets walk this back. You said games like league, overwatch, marvel rivals, diablo, etc survive? Whats the difference between those and this? Oh ya those are made by multibillion dollar companies with decades of lore and experience to pull from with incredibly good character design and by the sheer volume of characters offers so many playstyles.
This game has 6 weak characters that dont look good or unique at all.

Uh, league was started by a small company and was not a billion dollar company. Neither was poe. Diablo 2 even was still a smaller company at the time, albiet bigger.

Marvel, overwatch, I will give you.

POE and diablo 2 were fitting niche genres that were starved for good games, so they kind of didnt have to work too hard for it. Plus they are absolutely solid games for their time and still hold up today. Ya i def think you can start out at the bottom and work up, but even if you look at league characters back then they looked at least iconic, plus now in 2025 there is WAY more competition. I think the characters they have currently just dont look iconic, they look kinda ugly. They arent terrible, but they dont stand out imo. Which if the point isnt for them to stand out, then give people the ability to change how they look. It sort of works in an arpg where your characters are sort of bland looking since its a constant loot fest but this game isnt a loot fest. You arent getting gear every 30 seconds thatll cover how your character looks, plus they have different races.
I ultimately think the best bet is to just have a few races and allow people to change small parts of them, maybe the hair, skin color, a few face presets, whatever. And then they just choose the preset classes for that character. I think that would just go better because if you are gonna "force" people to play a certain race or character and they dont like looking at them, they wont play. And no matter how much it might upset people you WANT people playing, this game isnt as solo game it literally needs people playing to survive. So anything this easy to change shouldnt be a negative, its an easy win for them to just change this.

[Sumiko]

+1

[Krisz]

I do not really understand why this game is compared to League of Legends and Overwatch. This game should be compared to mmo's where you can indeed customize your characters.

This is basicly M+ from WoW. Unless they will release a massive amount of characters for each role, there is no way that there will be enough tank and healer. Not just you have to find a character which attracts you, but he/she will need a skill kit which matches your preference.

This wont happen easily.