Asmon didn't 'Roast' this game. He gave some pretty good feedback... After 40 minutes.

[Pvt DumCumpster]

His fans though, yikes some of you guys are a little TOO zealous about DEI. I hate DEI too but even I can recognize THE GAME ISN'T FULLY RELEASED THERE ARE OTHER CHARACTERS THAT ARE IN THE ADVERTISEMENT THAT ARE NOT AVAILABLE IN THE PUBLIC TEST. Thought you needed that in big bold lettering in case you were uninformed.

This is probably my ever first forum post ever because I wanted to express how unhelpful some of you guys are to nurturing the potential this game actually has. Now the take away from Asmon criticisms was 1. A strong lack of music. - I agree I think at LEAST boss fights should have some really tense music. 2. The movement is not good. - I also agree the movement is a little weird it needs a bit more refining and I think they've got it especially with dash abilities they don't feel good to use because you carry no momentum after using a dash, you come to a complete halt.

I have my own criticisms about this game and what I'd like to see but I'll either turn that into another forum post at some point or I'll see if the devs open a disc at some point and post it there.

My final message, guys please stop crying DEI at an unfinished product because it'll turn into 'the little boy who cried wolf' and it isn't helpful. I got annoyed by this, imagine how it could make a dev feel. They might even just turn it into a DEI project to spite you. Not even Asmon called it a DEI project he was thoughtful on how he wanted to address the game.

[happyfaceman]

While I do agree with the music being trash. I also disagree about the movement, it feels so incredibly close to WoW after spending more hours in that game than Asmongold, with a wide array of control options to fit the casual/hardcore playstyle. I will say though i'd love to see Asmongold try the Warrior class after he has played WoW for 20 years as a Warrior and not once ever paid attention to weapon swing timers.

[XzapZ]

Who cares what some "Asmon" whoever that is said :O. People have their own opinions stop opening useless topics.

[MadConsular]

yeah i think people either don't realize that there will be way more characters at launch or are just looking for something to get upset about

[MrPeters]

Asmongold's chat is probably the last place you should look for good criticism. Their toxicity permeates throughout the entirety of their userbase.

[Lightmare]

Asmon did a +0 dungeon in 40 minutes and said the game is trash. So not the best person to take advice from

[Pvt DumCumpster]

Originally posted by XzapZ:

Who cares what some "Asmon" whoever that is said :O. People have their own opinions stop opening useless topics.

Yeah well you can have your own opinon but if you parrot the same thing about DEI while there is no confirmed basis for it, someone calling it out isn't useless it's informative. Also you may not have a clue who Asmongold is or you could just be pretending that you don't know. (cringe) There have been literally 2 other posts about him today alone. He's a popular Youtuber who makes commentary/reactionary content on games. His attention to this game is where all these misinforming takes about DEI came from.

[Pvt DumCumpster]

Originally posted by MrPeters:

Asmongold's chat is probably the last place you should look for good criticism. Their toxicity permeates throughout the entirety of their userbase.

I'm gonna be cringe and take the PirateSoftware take here. While he and his community aren't the greatest of people, he himself does have some strong valuable opinions about game design that should be taken seriously.

[Pvt DumCumpster]

Originally posted by happyfaceman:

While I do agree with the music being trash. I also disagree about the movement, it feels so incredibly close to WoW after spending more hours in that game than Asmongold, with a wide array of control options to fit the casual/hardcore playstyle. I will say though i'd love to see Asmongold try the Warrior class after he has played WoW for 20 years as a Warrior and not once ever paid attention to weapon swing timers.

I still am standing firm on the hill that abilities shouldn't just automatically halt you after using them, like the monk chick's dash or the Forst mage's dash. Giving them momentum after using the ability makes movement feel fluid like using a WoW Monk's Roll or Mage's Blink.

[Cecire]

So for me the reason the movement feels bad specifically is because of the camera. When I tilt the camera at an angle to better look at the ground, moving forward, especially if there's any y-axis movement like a hill or staircase will pull it back down to neutral. This is irritating. Movement abilities like rolls or slides are also not particularly fluid and feel or look like micro-stuns once done.

Everything else about movement is fine to me. And although I generally like the art style and find it 'good enough', I don't like the mounts. They're strangely chunky/chibi in a way that doesn't match the heroes or enemies aesthetic, and as a result also look terrible in motion.

[Prolyfic]

Originally posted by Cecire:

So for me the reason the movement feels bad specifically is because of the camera. When I tilt the camera at an angle to better look at the ground, moving forward, especially if there's any y-axis movement like a hill or staircase will pull it back down to neutral. This is irritating. Movement abilities like rolls or slides are also not particularly fluid and feel or look like micro-stuns once done.

Everything else about movement is fine to me. And although I generally like the art style and find it 'good enough', I don't like the mounts. They're strangely chunky/chibi in a way that doesn't match the heroes or enemies aesthetic, and as a result also look terrible in motion.

You can adjust the camera to not do that, btw. I believe it's "Camera Behavior" and set it to never

[Pvt DumCumpster]

Originally posted by Lightmare:

Asmon did a +0 dungeon in 40 minutes and said the game is trash. So not the best person to take advice from

You're absolutely right don't take what he says too seriously because he hasn't even begun to play a bit of the more tense gameplay! Except you're also wrong, you see he's what we like to call an example of first impression. The first things he noted are quite important to gameplay; movement needs to be fluid and music makes atmosphere. These are key things to focus on when you're trying to make a new style of game and honestly the people I've gotten to play this game aren't ex-mmo fans or current mmo fans they're people who haven't touched an mmo (this is anecdotal though so take that for what it's worth.) and first impressions matter. So if we ignore first impressions not just from a guy who played 40 minutes of this game but impressions of a guy who has played hundreds of hours doing something similar to this game, we're not really being good faith in nurturing this game to its true potential are we?

[Actual Gary Busey]

DEI is when woman and black

[Pvt DumCumpster]

Originally posted by Cecire:

So for me the reason the movement feels bad specifically is because of the camera. When I tilt the camera at an angle to better look at the ground, moving forward, especially if there's any y-axis movement like a hill or staircase will pull it back down to neutral. This is irritating. Movement abilities like rolls or slides are also not particularly fluid and feel or look like micro-stuns once done.

Everything else about movement is fine to me. And although I generally like the art style and find it 'good enough', I don't like the mounts. They're strangely chunky/chibi in a way that doesn't match the heroes or enemies aesthetic, and as a result also look terrible in motion.

I can agree with this to a degree, I again though am standing firm on not carrying any momentum after using a dash ability. It feels ucky and I want that changed as soon as possible.

[for greater glory]

opinion of a restart who doesnt play games and do w/e the ♥♥♥♥ he does (spreads hate literally) does not matter change my mind. who the ♥♥♥♥ even cares about this ♥♥♥♥ u cant play a white male character in a demo are u ♥♥♥♥♥♥♥ serious right now? LMFAO

[Pvt DumCumpster]

Originally posted by MadConsular:

yeah i think people either don't realize that there will be way more characters at launch or are just looking for something to get upset about

Yeah that's also the main point of my post. There are a lot of asmongold fans swarming the game right now just to give it either A. A 'heh ur game bad' take or B. People genuinely spreading misinformation saying it's a DEI game when we don't even have a full roster yet. Inform the people who don't know about more characters coming and cool down the overtly loud DEI criers.