is really bad?

[t3gk]

I like survivors like games, but the mixed reviews...

[Binue]

有点肝，局外成长太多了。5,6,7,8,9还是对局外成长有点要求的。我是DEMO就开始玩了，所以我大概知道刷多少能有多少回报。还能接受。.A bit liver, there's too much growth outside. 5,6,7,8,9 still have some requirements for external growth. I started playing as a DEMO, so I probably know how much I can pay off by brushing. It's still acceptable

[t3gk]

Originally posted by Binue:

有点肝，局外成长太多了。5,6,7,8,9还是对局外成长有点要求的。我是DEMO就开始玩了，所以我大概知道刷多少能有多少回报。还能接受。.A bit liver, there's too much growth outside. 5,6,7,8,9 still have some requirements for external growth. I started playing as a DEMO, so I probably know how much I can pay off by brushing. It's still acceptable

wdym with 5 6 7 8 9?

[Binue]

Originally posted by t3gk:

Originally posted by Binue:

有点肝，局外成长太多了。5,6,7,8,9还是对局外成长有点要求的。我是DEMO就开始玩了，所以我大概知道刷多少能有多少回报。还能接受。.A bit liver, there's too much growth outside. 5,6,7,8,9 still have some requirements for external growth. I started playing as a DEMO, so I probably know how much I can pay off by brushing. It's still acceptable

wdym with 5 6 7 8 9?

wdym是什么意思？

[Gamerzilla]

This game is good. Compared to Vampire Survivors it is the closest in terms of enjoyment for me out of all the ones I have played. Only problem is: VS has years of content & DLC built up. This game is about 15-20 hours of content at the moment. Still worth the price.

[Binue]

Originally posted by Gamerzilla:

This game is good. Compared to Vampire Survivors it is the closest in terms of enjoyment for me out of all the ones I have played. Only problem is: VS has years of content & DLC built up. This game is about 15-20 hours of content at the moment. Still worth the price.

有内容不够，局外成长来凑时间的嫌疑。期待正式版吧
There is a suspicion that there is insufficient content and outsiders are growing up to gather time. Looking forward to the official version

[t3gk]

Originally posted by Gamerzilla:

This game is good. Compared to Vampire Survivors it is the closest in terms of enjoyment for me out of all the ones I have played. Only problem is: VS has years of content & DLC built up. This game is about 15-20 hours of content at the moment. Still worth the price.

15-20 hours to get all achievements?

[Binue]

Originally posted by t3gk:

Originally posted by Gamerzilla:

This game is good. Compared to Vampire Survivors it is the closest in terms of enjoyment for me out of all the ones I have played. Only problem is: VS has years of content & DLC built up. This game is about 15-20 hours of content at the moment. Still worth the price.

15-20 hours to get all achievements?

我有demo版本的基础，我认为三个小时就能大致理解最基础的套路。目前我十个小时，已经把全部关卡都打通了，但是还没解锁全部卡牌。
以这个游戏的售价来说，不亏，不过确实需要一些时间慢慢解锁收集。
have the basics of the demo version, and I think I can roughly understand the most basic routines in three hours. At present, I have completed all levels in ten hours, but haven't unlocked all cards yet.

At the price of this game, it's not a loss, but it does take some time to slowly unlock and collect.

[ShinShilo]

Originally posted by t3gk:

I like survivors like games, but the mixed reviews...

Hi! I am a developer, and, even worse, a game designer of this game, so my opinion can be ignored But I wanted to write why I think the reviews are lower on release than I expected
1. Some players who really liked the demo version are dissatisfied: The demo contained several funny broken mechanics that were well in a short demo of 3 levels (check "I BROKE The New Despots Bullet Heaven" from Sifd on youtube), but it makes the gameplay terrible on 10 levels game.
In the future, we will try, without breaking the balance, to achieve the feeling of “wow, wow, what did I come up with and how I’m blowing everyone away!” more often!
I would like to note that most people think that the EA version is better than the demo. They just don’t write about it in reviews
2. Players expecting an experience similar to VS discover that this game is more about winning challenges than about exploration and grinding, and not everyone likes it. In other words, the game is perceived as unfairly difficult by those who expect relaxed, addictive gameplay. We made the game easier and faster with the first patches and the rating immediately began move to positive.
Conclusion: it was necessary to better test the balance on players before entering early access T_T

[Anarchs]

Originally posted by t3gk:

Originally posted by Gamerzilla:

This game is good. Compared to Vampire Survivors it is the closest in terms of enjoyment for me out of all the ones I have played. Only problem is: VS has years of content & DLC built up. This game is about 15-20 hours of content at the moment. Still worth the price.

15-20 hours to get all achievements?

I just got the last achievement at 15.2 hours. Having given all the Starting Slimes and build variants a go. So 15+ hours as it stands now is accurate.

I'd say the game is more a long the lines of 20 Minutes till Dawn or Brotato than Vampire Survivors to play. It requires more attention throughout the run than VS. Where by the end of a run you just pretty much chill and spectate.

I honestly prefer this to some Survivor Likes though as you have your Deck of skills you choose from and build. So along as you set up your deck well then you don't have dud runs where you didn't get the specific skill you wanted due to RNG. Not that you'll always win mind. Especially when you're still unlocking things.

And the whole meta progression feels fine imho (especially after the early patches).

No regrets on my purchase at all. And the extra discount for already owning Despot's Game was nice aswell.

[t3gk]

Originally posted by ShinShilo:

Originally posted by t3gk:

I like survivors like games, but the mixed reviews...

Hi! I am a developer, and, even worse, a game designer of this game, so my opinion can be ignored :lunar2019grinningpig: But I wanted to write why I think the reviews are lower on release than I expected
1. Some players who really liked the demo version are dissatisfied: The demo contained several funny broken mechanics that were well in a short demo of 3 levels (check "I BROKE The New Despots Bullet Heaven" from Sifd on youtube), but it makes the gameplay terrible on 10 levels game.
In the future, we will try, without breaking the balance, to achieve the feeling of “wow, wow, what did I come up with and how I’m blowing everyone away!” more often!
I would like to note that most people think that the EA version is better than the demo. They just don’t write about it in reviews
2. Players expecting an experience similar to VS discover that this game is more about winning challenges than about exploration and grinding, and not everyone likes it. In other words, the game is perceived as unfairly difficult by those who expect relaxed, addictive gameplay. We made the game easier and faster with the first patches and the rating immediately began move to positive.
Conclusion: it was necessary to better test the balance on players before entering early access T_T

LOL appreciate so much a reply from dev! so are u gonna make the game easier? that's not very appetizing, people who likes this type of games has played a lot of them like 20MTD, Brotato, Zombie Survivors... we are used to these games

[t3gk]

Originally posted by Anarchs:

Originally posted by t3gk:

15-20 hours to get all achievements?

I just got the last achievement at 15.2 hours. Having given all the Starting Slimes and build variants a go. So 15+ hours as it stands now is accurate.

I'd say the game is more a long the lines of 20 Minutes till Dawn or Brotato than Vampire Survivors to play. It requires more attention throughout the run than VS. Where by the end of a run you just pretty much chill and spectate.

I honestly prefer this to some Survivor Likes though as you have your Deck of skills you choose from and build. So along as you set up your deck well then you don't have dud runs where you didn't get the specific skill you wanted due to RNG. Not that you'll always win mind. Especially when you're still unlocking things.

And the whole meta progression feels fine imho (especially after the early patches).

No regrets on my purchase at all. And the extra discount for already owning Despot's Game was nice aswell.

mmh, I liked 20MTD and Brotato a lot, VS was so chill and meh for me, that's something very good, thanks for your comment! :)

[ShinShilo]

Originally posted by t3gk:

So are u gonna make the game easier? that's not very appetizing, people who likes this type of games has played a lot of them like 20MTD, Brotato, Zombie Survivors... we are used to these games

No, I’m not going to =D Now, after the first patches, I think it’s normal, but the balance will still be shaken by the new mechanics. For example, we'll soon be adding more meta upgrades that will impact balance

['Strict]

I bought the game.....I only played one run though cause I didn't like te fact that I lost all the weapons and stuff I got in the first level....also didn't like the fact that the char was so slow.

So I asked and received a refund, I already play so many "survivors games" and there's quite a few more I enjoy more than this one atmo

But I didn't wanna write a bad review cause I only played for a little while and I didn't get any meta-progression.....I will try the game again when the game is out of EA and hopefully I'll enjoy it more then =)
And writing a review when you've only played for less than 2 hours isn't something I do since after less than 2 hours you will know it's not a game for you...but you can't really tell if the game is good or not.

[Cyder]

What's unique about this 'survivor-like' game is that you get cards and don't try and boost any stats. It does not seem very clear to me how far away I am to upgrading the cards and too many of the cards are locked behind the "grind". Once the boss spawns, other characters keep on spawning, so you need to have a build that you can target the boss. I think I would like auto-aim and controller support but there are other bigger issues with the game. I achievements yielding specific cards should be more clear (and possible unlike the exp-like system).

[Sturm]

tbh most of the negative reviews are skill issues lol