Sorry, Herr Fuchs...

[Empath demon]

So I guess this is kind of a whine thread - sorry in advance. But Herr Fuchs is kind of being a big baby. He wanted the decker taken out, but then he sends a crew to interfere with *my* mission? C'mon now. So of course I take them out! But I wasn't going to let that little creep go free either, I got his nasty little device and left him to his just desserts.

The mission was accomplished. Why on earth should I not get paid for it? I like the concept of this mission, but it seems the writers really crowbarred a story/reward fork in where it didn't make sense. It's literally metagaming - no one but your team would really know what happened. You should be able to report to Fuchs and claim ignorance about the team he sent that "disappeared", and maybe have a bluff check to get full payment too.

So how would you make this mission different?

[Asuzu]

Probably yes, after killing his team and killing decker still after that, your mission objective should be considered completed. Just a small loophole there, I always shoot the little creep to the face the instant I meet him, lol.

[Zara]

I think in the end it is to prevent you from getting Alice's money too fast, and thus getting teh excess after paying Alice

[Empath demon]

Originally posted by Zara:

I think in the end it is to prevent you from getting Alice's money too fast, and thus getting teh excess after paying Alice

Well yes, but that's what I mean by "metagaming" in the OP - it's not narrative design, the only reason is for game mechanic reasons, which wouldn't be needed if the writing/design was more organic. This is the kind of thing that makes SRR games feel immature and shallow, which makes me sad because I love a lot of things about it.

[Infinite Probability]

actually it was a rigger, and not a decker. And I can see an employer hiring a separate team to check on another team (making sure they came in after the area was cleared) to ensure the job was done right. He probably hated that rigger for something, maybe he rigged Herrs building up and killed someone close to him... we dont know the entire story, but we know he was pissed off enough to send a runner team, and a hit squad after to ensure he was dead. If his hit sqaud was dead, I am sure he thinks something with you wasnt on the up n up so he could feel obligated to NOT pay you. Besides, that rigger was a piece of ♥♥♥♥ and deserved to die.

[Achi]

Well, if you think about it, Herr Fuchs's actions are understandable. He mentions that a failure of the mission might lead to a corporate war that he wishes to avoid. Given the fact that the first bunch of runners caused a lot of mayhem, I can see why he would be suspicious and send a control team in. It would also be suspicious if this group wouldn't report back to him when your team made it out okay.

[Sol]

If I were Herr Fuchs, I would have recording camera cyber eyes installed on my lackeys, and I would see through their eyes and hear through their ears. Look at the espionage hardware we have in our own age, think in 2055 they have less?

Even without that, he would know his own guys came up dead and you didn't. He would have a way to know.

Oh, and that rigger was a sicko who deserved to die.

[rebb]

FRED FUCHS ?!

[Mack Yuu]

Sadly, the rigger is KoS for me; it's too easy to metagame and know what he's done to have a conscience about it.

[Achi]

Originally posted by kevin.macku:

Sadly, the rigger is KoS for me; it's too easy to metagame and know what he's done to have a conscience about it.

It's not really metagaming when you can figure out the obvious. It's not KE standard procedure to chop maintenance staff to bits. However, I did pick up the Rigger at first, because I wasn't sure that he was the one who actually did it. I shot him once I found out. Nets you an extra point of karma as well.

[Elysion]

Wait so, you get the most karma for not only deciding to ignore your contract but then deciding to change your mind AGAIN and kill him later? This game teaches bad values.

[Achi]

Originally posted by Bringer:

Wait so, you get the most karma for not only deciding to ignore your contract but then deciding to change your mind AGAIN and kill him later? This game teaches bad values.

I think it rewards you for having a conscience, so to speak. If you spare the Rigger at first, you are probably doing so because you believe his story of him and his team being set up by Mr. Fuchs. Once you find out that he was lying and actually did botch up the run with his sadistic urges, you essentially bring him to justice, while risking not getting any payment from neither the Rigger nor Mr.Fuchs.

[Elysion]

The time for conscience was before you accept the mission. It says straight up you are going in to kill someone who was captured in a botched mission. failing a contract alone has serious reprocussions and doing it willingly, for a bribe, is just suicidal. Its not something someone with experience like the main character is supposed to have would consider doing.

[Sept]

I believe you need to pass a check so you can shoot him later, hence the reward for "having the right stat"?
Speaking of which, *minor spoiler* in a later mission where you obtain a horrible secret,
there is an option of handing it to the Flux State so they can attack a corp in public,
or destroy it so that its secret will never be abused. Both are optional objects btw,
Interestingly, destroying it earn you neither karma or nuyen(both are rewarded if you give it away).
Not sure if that's a bug, because the objective of "giving it away" still remain though the main objective "decide what to do with it" is completed. If it's not a bug, then I guess it's really up to the player's conscience(or how they roleplay their character) to see if they are willing to sacrifice money and stats for the greater good.

[Cutlass Jack]

The only thing I'd change is having the second team show up closer to the building exit. Instead of right at the very moment you realize what a scum the rigger is. That way you have a chance to amend your choice without metagaming, but before you get the lecture.

[////]

that "little creep" is a piece of chaos. no wonder such business prig like herr fuchs wants him dead, and wants him dead for sure. of course, his sadistic point of view can be shocking, but he's absolutely honest with it. and still, he's "a man of his word". i let him go... later in the game he messages you. i really doubt that this character killed in his life more than your character did...