After S6 release all items are again Legacy...

[sauron2012]

That's it. I was playing about 3500 hours in game, tried seassons but felt more comfy in Eternal realm maximise my characters. Last S4 forced me to refarm gear, which took me entire summer and another ~500 hours to refarm all of items.

Now with S6 they are trash legacy items again. This is a point where I'm done. I only hope I can refund DLC preorder as I'm not going to spend another 500 hours to refarm it all from ground. Took me a Year since 2023 summer release to get all Ubers and now I'm suppose to do it all again?

Bye Bye Blizzard.

[D-Black Catto]

Origineel geplaatst door jfoytek:

This is exactly the reason I have only ever played the game twice thru the story with a Barb and a Mage...

The bull crap end game stuff they make for the people that need to live in the game doesn't appeal to me, the game had a nice story and nice cinematic's I have experienced it twice now the game is done....

Would I play it more if their were no season's yep I certainly would... but this game has seasons which means your gear is going to be regularly made useless... So whats the point of playing the ARPG beyond the Story at that point???

The whole point of an ARPG is the collection of gear, that's the primary thing that makes diablo fun is finding that sweet loot drop...

Blizzard is essentially shooting itself in the foot but hey that's nothing new...

there comes the point you find the best gear ever, and what then? make a new character

Then you find the best gear for every character and drop the game.....seasons prolong the lifespan of games by making that gear obselete and introducing new things to collect, and forcing you to make a new character for every season so you can't collect everything with just one

[LOL]

Origineel geplaatst door Grampire:

^Ring, 2h (sword, staff), 1h, amulet all say hi.


Ring of Starless Skies alone is BiS for many builds, as is Grandfather and Doombringer.

Not all classes can even use grandfather and starless is quite often replaced by 3ga ancestrals.

[LOL]

Origineel geplaatst door DeadSlash:

Origineel geplaatst door LOL:

That's a flatout bad take because the only 2 slots universally occupied by untradeable mythics is chest and helmet. What about neck, ring, ring, left hand, right hand, boots, pants, gloves? All P2W. What about the untradeable mythics that get downgraded and have to be refarmed via methods only accessible through P2W? What about the added useful untradeable mythics only accessible via content that is paid to access? P2W

There is no PTW in D4. You can only buy non-stat impacting cosmetics. There is nothing to pay for that helps you farm mythics.

You can literally pay for summoning mats. What are you talking about?

[DeadSlash]

Origineel geplaatst door Grampire:

Origineel geplaatst door DeadSlash:

There is no PTW in D4. You can only buy non-stat impacting cosmetics. There is nothing to pay for that helps you farm mythics.

You can use 3rd party sites to buy gold, non-mythic gear, stygian stones etc.

That technically accelerates your ability to power-up. But I agree, most of what he's talking about there is marginal and not something many players will actually pay for. It's not like buying a Stormshield from RMAH or a Zod rune from D2JSP.

That doesn't make it PTW though, by that logic, ALL online shooters are PTW because paid hacks are available. The gold sales are not sanctioned, can be scams and are not a part of the game.

[DeadSlash]

Origineel geplaatst door LOL:

Origineel geplaatst door DeadSlash:

There is no PTW in D4. You can only buy non-stat impacting cosmetics. There is nothing to pay for that helps you farm mythics.

You can literally pay for summoning mats. What are you talking about?

Where? Where does D4 have a place to buy mats? It doesn't. You have been trolling this forum with misinformation for longer than I have been posting here. Do you get bored and move on at some point? Who at Blizzard hurt you?

There is only cosmetics for sale in D4, if your talking about buying gold, that's a cheat. By your definition, all games with paid cheats are PTW and the term loses meaning.

You are being disingenuous. you cannot "buy materials in game" you can cheat by using outside companies to get loots and gold and this exists in all online games with transferable materials.

[player7112]

Origineel geplaatst door sauron2012:

That's it. I was playing about 3500 hours in game, tried seassons but felt more comfy in Eternal realm maximise my characters. Last S4 forced me to refarm gear, which took me entire summer and another ~500 hours to refarm all of items.

Now with S6 they are trash legacy items again. This is a point where I'm done. I only hope I can refund DLC preorder as I'm not going to spend another 500 hours to refarm it all from ground. Took me a Year since 2023 summer release to get all Ubers and now I'm suppose to do it all again?

Bye Bye Blizzard.

Took him 500 hours for one answer 'this game mode wasn't suit my play style'.

Welp, at least he didn't travel 50 years around the globe to get an answer 'the world is round-shaped'.

Better hire a life planner for faster planning.

[Grampire]

Origineel geplaatst door DeadSlash:

Origineel geplaatst door Grampire:

You can use 3rd party sites to buy gold, non-mythic gear, stygian stones etc.

That technically accelerates your ability to power-up. But I agree, most of what he's talking about there is marginal and not something many players will actually pay for. It's not like buying a Stormshield from RMAH or a Zod rune from D2JSP.

That doesn't make it PTW though, by that logic, ALL online shooters are PTW because paid hacks are available. The gold sales are not sanctioned, can be scams and are not a part of the game.

Paid hacks are nowhere near the same thing as paying for mats and gear. Technically you're just paying someone to trade with you, whereas a hack is someone breaking the game.

If you know where to go for it paid gold and summoning mats is not too risky - It's been a business for decades for this type of game.

To put it in perspective - If you were to farm stygian stones via Infernal T7-8 and could efficiently run them at about 12 minutes each that would net you 2-3 stones every 12 minutes, effectively taking roughly 3.5-4 hours per stack of 50.

If you don't have a character that can farm that efficiently then you can pay for 50 stones and mats and a group will gladly carry you through tormented bosses rotations - all they care about is whether you have mats. End result is a fully geared character for you.

Diablo 2's version of this used D2JSP, except people would buy specific gear and fully kit their character immediately - no carries required. Just pay however much and start running ubers, meph, Baal, countess runs, etc.

Origineel geplaatst door LOL:

Origineel geplaatst door Grampire:

^Ring, 2h (sword, staff), 1h, amulet all say hi.


Ring of Starless Skies alone is BiS for many builds, as is Grandfather and Doombringer.

Not all classes can even use grandfather and starless is quite often replaced by 3ga ancestrals.

Just like there are many builds that don't use Andy's, and there are plenty of people who would use Lycander to level alts. Just like people who would pay on D2JSP for an ethereal Titan's Revenge.

Doesn't matter how universally they're used so long as some builds/classes do.

[LOL]

Origineel geplaatst door DeadSlash:

Origineel geplaatst door LOL:

You can literally pay for summoning mats. What are you talking about?

Where? Where does D4 have a place to buy mats? It doesn't. You have been trolling this forum with misinformation for longer than I have been posting here. Do you get bored and move on at some point? Who at Blizzard hurt you?

There is only cosmetics for sale in D4, if your talking about buying gold, that's a cheat. By your definition, all games with paid cheats are PTW and the term loses meaning.

You are being disingenuous. you cannot "buy materials in game" you can cheat by using outside companies to get loots and gold and this exists in all online games with transferable materials.

How is buying gold a cheat when blizzard advertises links to do it every 2 minutes in trade chat?

[LOL]

Origineel geplaatst door Grampire:

Origineel geplaatst door DeadSlash:

That doesn't make it PTW though, by that logic, ALL online shooters are PTW because paid hacks are available. The gold sales are not sanctioned, can be scams and are not a part of the game.

Paid hacks are nowhere near the same thing as paying for mats and gear. Technically you're just paying someone to trade with you, whereas a hack is someone breaking the game.

If you know where to go for it paid gold and summoning mats is not too risky - It's been a business for decades for this type of game.

To put it in perspective - If you were to farm stygian stones via Infernal T7-8 and could efficiently run them at about 12 minutes each that would net you 2-3 stones every 12 minutes, effectively taking roughly 3.5-4 hours per stack of 50.

If you don't have a character that can farm that efficiently then you can pay for 50 stones and mats and a group will gladly carry you through tormented bosses rotations - all they care about is whether you have mats. End result is a fully geared character for you.

Diablo 2's version of this used D2JSP, except people would buy specific gear and fully kit their character immediately - no carries required. Just pay however much and start running ubers, meph, Baal, countess runs, etc.

Origineel geplaatst door LOL:

Not all classes can even use grandfather and starless is quite often replaced by 3ga ancestrals.

Just like there are many builds that don't use Andy's, and there are plenty of people who would use Lycander to level alts. Just like people who would pay on D2JSP for an ethereal Titan's Revenge.

Doesn't matter how universally they're used so long as some builds/classes do.

Pretty much any build that doesn't use andys uses shako. Lycander has no value in any build outside of leveling.

[DeadSlash]

Origineel geplaatst door LOL:

Origineel geplaatst door DeadSlash:

Where? Where does D4 have a place to buy mats? It doesn't. You have been trolling this forum with misinformation for longer than I have been posting here. Do you get bored and move on at some point? Who at Blizzard hurt you?

There is only cosmetics for sale in D4, if your talking about buying gold, that's a cheat. By your definition, all games with paid cheats are PTW and the term loses meaning.

You are being disingenuous. you cannot "buy materials in game" you can cheat by using outside companies to get loots and gold and this exists in all online games with transferable materials.

How is buying gold a cheat when blizzard advertises links to do it every 2 minutes in trade chat?

And that is another lie, you are plugging 3rd party websites that can be a scam as being affiliated with Blizzard and that is 100% a lie. that's a dangerous lie because you are disingenuously pretending these sites are legitimate an associated in any way with Blizzard.

Do you work for one of those sites? Or are you simply lying because you hate Blizzard and it fits your narrative?

Blizzard actively bans those spam accounts and there are dozens of posts on this forum with people questioning the inability to freely chat with a brand new account, a safeguard in place to inhibit gold farm adverts.

Origineel geplaatst door Grampire:

Origineel geplaatst door DeadSlash:

That doesn't make it PTW though, by that logic, ALL online shooters are PTW because paid hacks are available. The gold sales are not sanctioned, can be scams and are not a part of the game.

Paid hacks are nowhere near the same thing as paying for mats and gear. Technically you're just paying someone to trade with you, whereas a hack is someone breaking the game.

If you know where to go for it paid gold and summoning mats is not too risky - It's been a business for decades for this type of game.

To put it in perspective - If you were to farm stygian stones via Infernal T7-8 and could efficiently run them at about 12 minutes each that would net you 2-3 stones every 12 minutes, effectively taking roughly 3.5-4 hours per stack of 50.

If you don't have a character that can farm that efficiently then you can pay for 50 stones and mats and a group will gladly carry you through tormented bosses rotations - all they care about is whether you have mats. End result is a fully geared character for you.

Diablo 2's version of this used D2JSP, except people would buy specific gear and fully kit their character immediately - no carries required. Just pay however much and start running ubers, meph, Baal, countess runs, etc.

Origineel geplaatst door LOL:

Not all classes can even use grandfather and starless is quite often replaced by 3ga ancestrals.

Just like there are many builds that don't use Andy's, and there are plenty of people who would use Lycander to level alts. Just like people who would pay on D2JSP for an ethereal Titan's Revenge.

Doesn't matter how universally they're used so long as some builds/classes do.

I disagree. Buying gold is against the rules because it does break the game, it breaks the economy. Also, just like wall hacks or aim bots, it induces other people to cheat in the same way to "just compete."

To be clear, I simply disagree with you. LOL is trolling the forums and not arguing in good faith.

[LOL]

Origineel geplaatst door DeadSlash:

Origineel geplaatst door LOL:

How is buying gold a cheat when blizzard advertises links to do it every 2 minutes in trade chat?

And that is another lie, you are plugging 3rd party websites that can be a scam as being affiliated with Blizzard and that is 100% a lie. that's a dangerous lie because you are disingenuously pretending these sites are legitimate an associated in any way with Blizzard.

Do you work for one of those sites? Or are you simply lying because you hate Blizzard and it fits your narrative?

Blizzard actively bans those spam accounts and there are dozens of posts on this forum with people questioning the inability to freely chat with a brand new account, a safeguard in place to inhibit gold farm adverts.

Origineel geplaatst door Grampire:

Paid hacks are nowhere near the same thing as paying for mats and gear. Technically you're just paying someone to trade with you, whereas a hack is someone breaking the game.

If you know where to go for it paid gold and summoning mats is not too risky - It's been a business for decades for this type of game.

To put it in perspective - If you were to farm stygian stones via Infernal T7-8 and could efficiently run them at about 12 minutes each that would net you 2-3 stones every 12 minutes, effectively taking roughly 3.5-4 hours per stack of 50.

If you don't have a character that can farm that efficiently then you can pay for 50 stones and mats and a group will gladly carry you through tormented bosses rotations - all they care about is whether you have mats. End result is a fully geared character for you.

Diablo 2's version of this used D2JSP, except people would buy specific gear and fully kit their character immediately - no carries required. Just pay however much and start running ubers, meph, Baal, countess runs, etc.



Just like there are many builds that don't use Andy's, and there are plenty of people who would use Lycander to level alts. Just like people who would pay on D2JSP for an ethereal Titan's Revenge.

Doesn't matter how universally they're used so long as some builds/classes do.

I disagree. Buying gold is against the rules because it does break the game, it breaks the economy. Also, just like wall hacks or aim bots, it induces other people to cheat in the same way to "just compete."

To be clear, I simply disagree with you. LOL is trolling the forums and not arguing in good faith.

Ok, you are either trolling or have no idea what you are talking about. Blizzard straight up lets trading websites access the BNET api to authenticate users on "unofficial" websites. Not one single person has gotten banned for purchasing gold unless the gold was tied to an account that used the duping exploit. Blizzard actively allows their gold selling website to be posted in trade chat and it is advertised every couple of minutes in every shard.

[Grampire]

Origineel geplaatst door LOL:

Origineel geplaatst door Grampire:

Paid hacks are nowhere near the same thing as paying for mats and gear. Technically you're just paying someone to trade with you, whereas a hack is someone breaking the game.

If you know where to go for it paid gold and summoning mats is not too risky - It's been a business for decades for this type of game.

To put it in perspective - If you were to farm stygian stones via Infernal T7-8 and could efficiently run them at about 12 minutes each that would net you 2-3 stones every 12 minutes, effectively taking roughly 3.5-4 hours per stack of 50.

If you don't have a character that can farm that efficiently then you can pay for 50 stones and mats and a group will gladly carry you through tormented bosses rotations - all they care about is whether you have mats. End result is a fully geared character for you.

Diablo 2's version of this used D2JSP, except people would buy specific gear and fully kit their character immediately - no carries required. Just pay however much and start running ubers, meph, Baal, countess runs, etc.



Just like there are many builds that don't use Andy's, and there are plenty of people who would use Lycander to level alts. Just like people who would pay on D2JSP for an ethereal Titan's Revenge.

Doesn't matter how universally they're used so long as some builds/classes do.

Pretty much any build that doesn't use andys uses shako. Lycander has no value in any build outside of leveling.

Which in no way contradicts the point I was making.

[DeadSlash]

Origineel geplaatst door LOL:

Origineel geplaatst door DeadSlash:

And that is another lie, you are plugging 3rd party websites that can be a scam as being affiliated with Blizzard and that is 100% a lie. that's a dangerous lie because you are disingenuously pretending these sites are legitimate an associated in any way with Blizzard.

Do you work for one of those sites? Or are you simply lying because you hate Blizzard and it fits your narrative?

Blizzard actively bans those spam accounts and there are dozens of posts on this forum with people questioning the inability to freely chat with a brand new account, a safeguard in place to inhibit gold farm adverts.




I disagree. Buying gold is against the rules because it does break the game, it breaks the economy. Also, just like wall hacks or aim bots, it induces other people to cheat in the same way to "just compete."

To be clear, I simply disagree with you. LOL is trolling the forums and not arguing in good faith.

Ok, you are either trolling or have no idea what you are talking about. Blizzard straight up lets trading websites access the BNET api to authenticate users on "unofficial" websites. Not one single person has gotten banned for purchasing gold unless the gold was tied to an account that used the duping exploit. Blizzard actively allows their gold selling website to be posted in trade chat and it is advertised every couple of minutes in every shard.

Straight up lying.
Anyone falling for this - You might want to check the user agreement with blizzard.
There is no affiliation between the gold sites and Blizzard.
For clarity, LOL, in-between being banned has also made statements like it is Blizzards official policy to bug the Steam version of the game so you have to buy it on Bnet too.

Just wild flat earth style trolling. This one in particular is dangerous because it's more than stupid, it can lead to you getting your account hacked or banned. Saying stupid ♥♥♥♥ about an official policy of breaking the game so you have to buy it on Bnet too is mostly harmless because it isn't driving you to some shady site.

This in particular is is nefarious because it can lead to people being scammed or banned.

Origineel geplaatst door LOL:

Buy it again on Bnet. This is a feature for some Steam players. Blizzard punishes people with different bugs on each Steam client for purchasing it on Steam.

Origineel geplaatst door LOL:

Origineel geplaatst door cyyanuur:

I've got the same, no solution yet

Solution is to buy it again on bnet launcher.

[LOL]

Origineel geplaatst door Grampire:

Origineel geplaatst door LOL:

Pretty much any build that doesn't use andys uses shako. Lycander has no value in any build outside of leveling.

Which in no way contradicts the point I was making.

In 4 posts you went from incorrectly stating "many use this" to changing to "some use this" to "i wasn't making the point that I made. You made a point and I agreed with you, but i actually made the point."

[LOL]

Origineel geplaatst door DeadSlash:

Origineel geplaatst door LOL:

Ok, you are either trolling or have no idea what you are talking about. Blizzard straight up lets trading websites access the BNET api to authenticate users on "unofficial" websites. Not one single person has gotten banned for purchasing gold unless the gold was tied to an account that used the duping exploit. Blizzard actively allows their gold selling website to be posted in trade chat and it is advertised every couple of minutes in every shard.

Straight up lying.
Anyone falling for this - You might want to check the user agreement with blizzard.
There is no affiliation between the gold sites and Blizzard.
For clarity, LOL, in-between being banned has also made statements like it is Blizzards official policy to bug the Steam version of the game so you have to buy it on Bnet too.

Just wild flat earth style trolling. This one in particular is dangerous because it's more than stupid, it can lead to you getting your account hacked or banned. Saying stupid ♥♥♥♥ about an official policy of breaking the game so you have to buy it on Bnet too is mostly harmless because it isn't driving you to some shady site.

This in particular is is nefarious because it can lead to people being scammed or banned.

Origineel geplaatst door LOL:

Buy it again on Bnet. This is a feature for some Steam players. Blizzard punishes people with different bugs on each Steam client for purchasing it on Steam.

Origineel geplaatst door LOL:

Solution is to buy it again on bnet launcher.

You are lying. Not one single person has been banned for buying gold on D4. The whole reason Blizzard made gold a more functional resource in season 4/5 was to increase the sales on the sites they advertise in game. The whole reason they allow you to connect your account to websites through the API is to make trading with gold feel more official.

And clearly you are trolling if you are really going to start claiming steam users have as many in game account features as bnet users.