Not an "isometric" game

[Mr. Cady]

Isometric is an orthographic projection. Modern gamers wouldn't stand for anything but perspective these days (from Blizzard at least). The label should be removed.

[Angela]

It's 30 degrees/60 degrees.

It is isometric.

This is a 2.5 D game and not a 3D game.

It is not in perspective.

Weird thread.

[Mr. Cady]

Originally posted by Angela:

It's 30 degrees/60 degrees.

It is isometric.

This is a 2.5 D game and not a 3D game.

It is not in perspective.

Weird thread.

Review the definition of isometric here:
https://www.theengineerspost.com/isometric-projection/

See others speak the truth here:
https://us.forums.blizzard.com/en/d4/t/about-isometric-impostor-rendering/139117

Based on your fake "definition", all 3rd person games with a bird's eye view are isometric. That's not what isometric means. I understand the difference may be subtle to some.

Simply put: isometric means you can see all sides clearly of every object no matter where your character is standing (near or far, in front or behind). Diablo 1 and 2 are isometric games. Diablo 4 is a fully 3D game graphically just like Diablo 3.

[Angela]

Originally posted by Mr. Cady:

Originally posted by Angela:

It's 30 degrees/60 degrees.

It is isometric.

This is a 2.5 D game and not a 3D game.

It is not in perspective.

Weird thread.

Review the definition of isometric here:
https://www.theengineerspost.com/isometric-projection/

See others speak the truth here:
https://us.forums.blizzard.com/en/d4/t/about-isometric-impostor-rendering/139117

Based on your fake "definition", all 3rd person games with a bird's eye view are isometric. That's not what isometric means. I understand the difference may be subtle to some.

Simply put: isometric means you can see all sides clearly of every object no matter where your character is standing (near or far, in front or behind). Diablo 1 and 2 are isometric games. Diablo 4 is a fully 3D game graphically just like Diablo 3.

It's isometric.

This term refers to the angles used and the player moves through. You would need to be able to move around the objects in 2.5D games to can see all angles of an object. The camera has fixed angles. You will never see the other side of objects in Diablo 4.

It's just a drawing set at fixed angles. Player moves through the fixed angle drawing.

Diablo 4 is not top down, that refers to looking straight down on head of player and seeing a plan view. Diablo 4 is not a plan view game.

And it isn't 3D - you cannot pan camera around in the Z axis. You are fixed to the ground view at the angles given. This game is 2.5D.

The thread you're quoting from is also stupid, just like this one.

[Lokvi]

Originally posted by Angela:

It's 30 degrees/60 degrees.

It is isometric.

This is a 2.5 D game and not a 3D game.

It is not in perspective.

Weird thread.

Diablo 1 and 2 are isometric games, Diablo 3 and 4 are 3D games, can be seen when walking around objects in the world of the newer games, as they change due perspective and object hidden behing other objects can be made visible simply by walking left or right, unlike in older titles. It has nothing to do with seeing other sides of any object and everything to do with perspective.
Just look at any gameplay of D2 and then D4, if you will tell me its the same, then you would be lying.

[Angela]

Again, the view and planes the character move though are isometric. Character is fixed. Game is 2.5D not 3D.

[jautja]

It's a ♥♥♥♥♥♥♥ stuffy topic. You understand perfectly well why it's like this, but you're making a circus of it.

[Mr. Cady]

Originally posted by Angela:

Again, the view and planes the character move though are isometric. Character is fixed. Game is 2.5D not 3D.

Since isometric projection is a subset of orthographic projections, I would be interested to hear whether or not you consider Diablo 4 to be an orthographic perspective. Is it orthographic?

[Lokvi]

Aight lads, the real deal is this: In terms of technology, D1 and D2 do use isometric projection to render the game world and D3 and D4 are 3D games as they render in true perspective.
But all of these games fall into the genre of isometric games, because genre names do not follow technical side of thigs, but are merely what people agreed upon to call this category of games. Even tho old games did use isometric rendering, the term remained to be used for modern 3D games in the "top down" category.

[Angela]

Originally posted by Lokvi:

D3 and D4 are 3D games as they render in true perspective.
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It isn't true perspective, it's simulated and there's no parallax. The character is in a 2.5D world not a 3D world.

[Mr. Cady]

Originally posted by Lokvi:

Aight lads, the real deal is this: In terms of technology, D1 and D2 do use isometric projection to render the game world and D3 and D4 are 3D games as they render in true perspective.
But all of these games fall into the genre of isometric games, because genre names do not follow technical side of thigs, but are merely what people agreed upon to call this category of games. Even tho old games did use isometric rendering, the term remained to be used for modern 3D games in the "top down" category.

Isometric is not a genre just like 2D is not a genre.

Alas, Steam is riddled with the opinion of the masses. According to Steam:
1. Warframe and Elden Ring are RPGs. Technically all games are role-playing games if we are going to broaden the definition. Super Mario Bros. is an RPG because you play the role of Mario. /s

2. Tom Clancy's Rainbow Six® Siege used to be an RPG! At least we know Steam fixes these things.

3. Dragon Age™: The Veilguard is LGBTQIA+. Things are out of hand. What does that even mean? Are we going to get tags for religions next? Why doesn't Skyrim has an LGBTQIA tag?

So no, sorry, I don't accept the bastardization of the word "isometric". Isometric is an orthographic projection.

[Hosenbund]

Originally posted by Mr. Cady:

Isometric is an orthographic projection. Modern gamers wouldn't stand for anything but perspective these days (from Blizzard at least). The label should be removed.

thats like the perspective of someone who isnt a gamer, but a game journalist or some crap like that

[Heartbeach]

D4 needs changing and increasing regarding quantities of shared stash tabs. Inevitably, 200 shared stash tab quantities have to be available in D4, definitely.

[Lokvi]

Originally posted by Mr. Cady:

Originally posted by Lokvi:

Aight lads, the real deal is this: In terms of technology, D1 and D2 do use isometric projection to render the game world and D3 and D4 are 3D games as they render in true perspective.
But all of these games fall into the genre of isometric games, because genre names do not follow technical side of thigs, but are merely what people agreed upon to call this category of games. Even tho old games did use isometric rendering, the term remained to be used for modern 3D games in the "top down" category.

Isometric is not a genre just like 2D is not a genre.

Alas, Steam is riddled with the opinion of the masses. According to Steam:
1. Warframe and Elden Ring are RPGs. Technically all games are role-playing games if we are going to broaden the definition. Super Mario Bros. is an RPG because you play the role of Mario. /s

2. Tom Clancy's Rainbow Six® Siege used to be an RPG! At least we know Steam fixes these things.

3. Dragon Age™: The Veilguard is LGBTQIA+. Things are out of hand. What does that even mean? Are we going to get tags for religions next? Why doesn't Skyrim has an LGBTQIA tag?

So no, sorry, I don't accept the bastardization of the word "isometric". Isometric is an orthographic projection.

Thats a lot of words to not understand how genres work. There are no definitions set in stone, as what is considered a genre is defined by what is agreed upon by gamers. There are no arbiters to tell us what game fall into what genre, hence why the name of the technology (isometric rendering) became a genre of isometric games, even tho these games are rendered in full 3D graphics.
You might think you know best, but truth is that the masses dictate genres. Oh and also those are steam tags, they are slowly replacing the category of genres, but so far its only on steam, so not the same thing. These tags do describe the game experience in more detail, but cannot serve as a genre (tags such as difficult, atmospheric or great soundtrack).

[Mr. Cady]

Originally posted by Lokvi:

Originally posted by Mr. Cady:

Isometric is not a genre just like 2D is not a genre.

Alas, Steam is riddled with the opinion of the masses. According to Steam:
1. Warframe and Elden Ring are RPGs. Technically all games are role-playing games if we are going to broaden the definition. Super Mario Bros. is an RPG because you play the role of Mario. /s

2. Tom Clancy's Rainbow Six® Siege used to be an RPG! At least we know Steam fixes these things.

3. Dragon Age™: The Veilguard is LGBTQIA+. Things are out of hand. What does that even mean? Are we going to get tags for religions next? Why doesn't Skyrim has an LGBTQIA tag?

So no, sorry, I don't accept the bastardization of the word "isometric". Isometric is an orthographic projection.

Thats a lot of words to not understand how genres work. There are no definitions set in stone, as what is considered a genre is defined by what is agreed upon by gamers. There are no arbiters to tell us what game fall into what genre, hence why the name of the technology (isometric rendering) became a genre of isometric games, even tho these games are rendered in full 3D graphics.
You might think you know best, but truth is that the masses dictate genres. Oh and also those are steam tags, they are slowly replacing the category of genres, but so far its only on steam, so not the same thing. These tags do describe the game experience in more detail, but cannot serve as a genre (tags such as difficult, atmospheric or great soundtrack).

Right. That's how it works nowadays, but I identify as someone who cannot be wrong. So you're still wrong.