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Aye, until now I also don't understand why this game is called "Diablo IV" instead of "Lilith I" - but I guess we simply have to wait for the first story DLC with maybe two new hero classes. *looks at Diablo 3* Except the two big HQ cutscenes there's few to understand lore-wise. And to be honest, this is the most boring storytelling of the whole series. At the end I just wanted to get trough the whole mess. It also wasn't the best decision to implement hundreds of sidequests which have nearly no meaning, except for farming the 4 paragon points for each region.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bEfVNgk_Hho&list=PLTNkfRTt89vfvoB-Da4qsaLlvID_YoXM7
Both made babies, Inarius got afraid of their power, Lilith saw great potential in terms of making warriors to stop the eternal war. But yeah she "died" and the children got their powers limited via the worldstone and eventually over time with each generation they got weaker.
She doesn't want to destroy what she created, but she's still a demon. We see in her introduction that her mere presence has humanity indulge in their darkest desires, and she enjoys this dark suffering (being the queen of succubi and all).
She's also someone who like control. So if she did succeed then we'd probably see something like hell, where hate flows freely (or at least heavily encouraged), in sanctuary with her as its queen.
Oh, also, she'd probably want to use humanity as soldiers to fight hell and heaven both which would've led to a lot more death and, if humanity lost, they'd be firmly seen as an enemy of both heaven and hell.
Edit: or she might be chill and truly just want a small corner of the universe for herself, idk
Why did Aidan "the Dark Wanderer" and hero of (non-D4 spoilers)Diablo 1 take Diablo's soulstone?
It is because she was young and inexperienced, stricken with grief of her mother, that she took the soulstone and is most likely going to be corrupted by it. People need a sequel after all
They were killed a bunch. Like, a lot, multiple times and in multiple forms. Even Mephisto is incredibly weak when you meet him in game and probably only cares because Lilith is directly threatening him.
In Diablo 3 the heavens were pretty stung by the humans and demons, and while they were also saved by a human, a lot of the angels are very racist (the one angel who stopped the rest from killing all the humans is now mortal and will die eventually (we do not know if he's still alive, I think?)).
Plus, they're probably in a state of dysfunction led by a militant who already views humanity as evil, but that's my head cannon.
(I didn't answer 4 because idk)
@ IchigoMait - Thank you for the response & resources! I'll listen to them tonight.
@Middling Cheese - Thanks for the detailed response. You definitely have a point with Lilith and her very nature being a destructive force. As you say, her being in control wouldn't be a good thing at all. For some reason, I just imagined her being ....indifferent to humanity and would've just left Sancturary alone. That answer definitely helped! I never played Diablo 1-III, and so I didn't know about previous conflicts. I feel like this lore could be so awesome, but it does seem a bit confusing...especially with things dying/reviving multiple times.
So, in this universe, is there a God/Satan? Or is it just two separate races Angels/Demons from two separate realms Heaven/Hell in conflict?
@grimr- Thats a cool name for a book trilogy. I've ordered them on Amazon! Thanks for the info. I was a bit perplexed at the end of Diablo 4 because Lorath was like "whatever bro, lets just wait for something to happen" which contradicts his heroic character arc that had been built up throughout the campaign. In fact, you end up not finding anything out about Lorath, Donan, or Nyrelle. There isn't any exposition flushing out their characters. Is the Book of Lorath worth reading?
I could be wrong, but didn't 3 say the Nephalem's power would be diluted? I could've sworn they said something about the power being spread thin...
I don't know a lot about the god-figure (Anu) or the original satan dude (Tathamet). Diablo 3 goes into them a bit more, and is good if you're interested in the other realms and stuff (it's the only Diablo where you visit heaven I think),
but both of them are dead now. So, to answer the question more directly, yeah. It's basically just demons, angels, and people all with their own little worlds.
(And, just a quick run down: angels come from the Crystal Arch, which is like a big holy-battery for them; and demons reform in hell having been originally created from Tathamet's death)
The nephalem's power was diluted thanks to the worldstone. However it was destroyed in d2 and twenty years later in d3 humanity started to regain that power. You could easily see from the wizard alone. Over time without the worldstone's influence humanity would regain it fully.
Unfortunately for blizz the nephalem are key to the story. It would be utter pointless for lilth to come back for just a bunch of weak humans. She had nothing to do with weakening their power. To further the point, i am pretty sure the seal on her would not have come down with just three human sacrifices and inarius just walking out of hell nope sorry. I don't know where they pulled out inarius being tyreal lieutenant but it was always izual. I am also pretty sure the black soulstone either didn't make it to sanctuary or was not there for very long. People died but not 90% of the population.
I can see why they omitted the nephalem so to make diablo darker again but they are too key to the story. yes our memories of the sin war were forgetten but not by rathma the very first necromancer and his first pupil mentioned in the trilogy. heck it was a nephalem that saved sanctuary and convinced tyreal not to exterminate humanity.
You are right nephlem over shadows our character, but its not our fault blizz made such weak characters in comparison.
The book of lorath is a you tube series unless they made a book for it like that did with book of tyreal and book of deckard cain. After watching them, the other characters were not even touched upon. I had honestly expected lorath to rebuild the horadric order after the events of ROS so i was disappointed as well. Fits the whole diablo is darker now theme.
There might be other books out there fleshing out the world or characters.
Actually in regards to your 4) as far as i can tell it is part of sanctuary but its a guess. As for the serpent, i am not totally sure it the same serpent that guided rathma but its a guess. Again sin war trilogy fleshes that out if it is indeed the same one i am not sure.
Lilith very dramatically, and clearly states: "I gave you Free Will."
Yet, people walk away from the story with the idea that Lilith is exerting a negative influence over humanity, that she's trying to control them, etc.
Which one is it? Does Humanity have Free Will --- OR --- Is Humanity enslaved to Lilith???
Ultimately, I agree, her end game isn’t super clear but I feel like that fits her character. She truly embodies a succubus’ role: a (exceptionally charismatic) leech. She has every opportunity to work with humanity, she even recruits from them, but she never actually works towards humanity’s freedom but her own empowerment.
Even if we assume she is going to use that power for good, that really only leaves humanity with her and no one else (which is why, even in the best light, I think it’s safe to say she’s for control).
(Side note: She is, also, the daughter of hatred and seems to hate how the world turned out—so there’s nothing really saying she wouldn’t also hate this new world she made too. It would just seem out of character if she made a utopia she’d be happy with imo)
Lilith can NOT believe both. She believes one or the other. She may hope to confuse you into believing that slavery is really a form of freedom (which is obviously possible) but she cannot believe both.
This is the base problem not just with the story but with Diablo IV the game, someone walks out on stage, throws up, and someone calls it ART.
If you believe neither can be true then I think that's a perfectly valid reading which leads you to this conclusion:
After all, if neither can be true, then you should probably assume the worst (which is what happens in the plot.)
It's really not that deep of a read. I consider her more of a Strahd figure (from DnD if you know him) in that she's meant to be mysterious and not fully understood but also an ever present threat that hovers over you. It's a cool way to write a villain which I don't see that often.
What are you talking about here? If neither can be true ...??? what are you talking about??? typo?? you were planning to delete that sentence but forgot?
Again, this is an example of how bad the writing is. Lilith's character is "beyond good and evil", she just wants to protect her children, however the writers of D4 just want a villain that they can have the player-character kill.
The story is actually about Mephisto and Lilith is just a character they need to kill off.
The writers try to justify the need to kill her, but they fail to come up with anything that makes sense.
What's Lilith's plan?: As near as we can tell Lilith's plan is to attack a weak Mephisto, absorb his power and become a Prime Evil herself. However, if this is her plan why is she wasting time with the humans at all? She doesn't use any humans in her plan or her attempt. Inarius brings humans into hell with him. Lilith does not.
Gaining access to Mephisto: Astoroth is imprisoned by Doonan (or whatever his name is.) LIlith frees Astoroth, empowers him, and then asks him to not interfere with her attempt to attack Mephisto. Apparently, this Astoroth is some sort of guard for Mephisto. But ... Astoroth was imprisoned. He couldn't have guarded Mephisto even if he tried. Why free him?
Poor writing. Attempts to justify why the player character is trekking all over Sanctuary doing kill and fetch quests and, of course, Boss fights.
I gave you Free Will.: As I already said, the writers don't care at all about making a coherent story. the Writers aren't concerned about giving Lilith a coherent character. The writers have Lilith very dramatically state that she gave the humans Free Will but at no point in the story is this an ethical or philosophic concern for her. Lilith doesn't want Humans to contemplate their choices or consequences of them, like God in Milton's "Paradise Lost", Lilith would be more like Darth Sidious, except that Darth Sidious is a well written character. Darth Sidious isn't confused. "Do I want Anakin to give in to the dark side or do I want Anakin to appreciate Freedom and Freedom of Will???"
All in all, the story of Diablo IV is extremely poorly written. Like everything else in D4 the story is terrible. However, unlike everything else in D4 over the life of the game the developers will not change a single line of the story no matter how awful or incoherent it is. They'll change every mathematical equation, two, three, or more times, but they will never change a single line of the story or dialogue.