No Local Co-Op = No Buy

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Diablo 3 had local co-op on console.

That's honestly the only reason I could ever see myself playing.

Originally posted by Rabouk:

Originally posted by 👁:

Frankly there's also just no good reason a game that has Local Co-Op on console shouldn't also have it on PC

It's companies being trash when it happens.

This.

Originally posted by @1oNe_zTarge+:

in honesty though I played Diablo 3 on console too and it's fun to play with the family that way

Originally posted by Rabouk:

100%. This needs to stop. Minecraft PC still doesn't have splitscreen but the PS3 emulated version works fine with 4 players. Nucleuscoop renders so many games playable splitscreen on PC by running several instances. Native Splitscreen is NOT complicated. No excuses.

Still haven't and wont purchase Halo MCC and others til they add splitscreen.

Originally posted by JohnBillington:

Can’t believe they skimped out on this. Guess I’ll get the PS version

Originally posted by Tony Lazuto:

The only reason i would buy this game is to play it with my wife in local co-op. The simple nature of modern diablo makes it easy for non-gamers to play in a local setting. If i wanted an actual good ARPG there are dozens of high profile ones better than this middling game. No local co-op, no buy from me.

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I remember when Diablo 3 came out, on PC it was online only and you couldn't even create rooms or brows to select the games you wanted, people were thrown into random games with people they didn't know or had to add people from a friends list, which incidentally gave up your real name part of your private account information.

People would join a match then just stand in town taking up space so that others couldn't join, or run around clearing bosses for loot and refusing to talk to you. I don't know if they ever changed it because I uninstalled it and never played it on PC again.

It wasn't like in Diablo 2 where you could create custom rooms and name them and set conditions for people joining them, and avoid joining up with a match that you didn't like. In Diablo 3 it would put you in the same match over and over if you tried to join an online game, it was trash. Diablo 2's online multiplayer was honestly much better in terms of match making and stuff because it gave more control to the player.

So the only reason I enjoyed Diablo 3 at all was playing on a console multiplayer with my family. The game wasn't any fun single player and it wasn't any fun online the only fun I had was local co-op.

And I have no reason to think Online Multiplayer in Diablo 4 would be any better, and the PC version has no Local Co-Op. Why doesn't it? It's got full controller support so why no Local Co-Op? There's no excuse.

There's no reason for me to ever buy this on PC, people who buy it on PC get an objectively inferior version of the product.

[Zefar]

In Diablo 3 I could easily just invite my brother and play together without any problems through the MP part.

Not sure why you need Local coop when the MP works exactly the same.

In Diablo 4 I can easily team up with my brother again and do dungeons, quests and what not together.

The MP is the same in all 3 games. I've played with my brother in Diablo 2 remaster as well and it was the same as Diablo 3. The only difference in Diablo 4 is that the overworld might have some extra players in it.

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Originally posted by Zefar:

In Diablo 3 I could easily just invite my brother and play together without any problems through the MP part.

You could do that in Diablo 2 though.

But you couldn't create a room with your brother in Diablo 3 that other people could see online an choose whether or not to join, any other random players you teamed up with were just randomly assigned to your game session.

Originally posted by Zefar:

Not sure why you need Local coop when the MP works exactly the same.

Because it's more fun to play with people in the same room, and sometimes I have people over.

And it sucks to have people over wanting to play games and the games be online only.

[Ackranome]

There will never be local-op.

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Originally posted by Ackranome:

There will never be local-op.

Why not though?

If they can put local co-op on console why can't they do it on PC?

And why should anyone even buy the PC version if it comes with less features?

[Ackranome]

Originally posted by 👁:

Originally posted by Ackranome:

There will never be local-op.

Why not though?

If they can put local co-op on console why can't they do it on PC?

And why should anyone even buy the PC version if it comes with less features?

Because Blizz wants to siphon information from your computer and force you to use their platform.

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Originally posted by Ackranome:

Originally posted by 👁:

Why not though?

If they can put local co-op on console why can't they do it on PC?

And why should anyone even buy the PC version if it comes with less features?

Because Blizz wants to siphon information from your computer and force you to use their platform.

But there's no reason for me to buy Diablo 4 on PC because it lacks Local Co-Op.

The Console Version has more features. Blizzard is just screwing over PC customers who aren't #ForeverAlone

[Ackranome]

Originally posted by 👁:

Originally posted by Ackranome:

Because Blizz wants to siphon information from your computer and force you to use their platform.

But there's no reason for me to buy Diablo 4 on PC because it lacks Local Co-Op.

The Console Version has more features. Blizzard is just screwing over PC customers who aren't #ForeverAlone

Then don't buy it.

[Zefar]

Originally posted by 👁:

You could do that in Diablo 2 though.

But you couldn't create a room with your brother in Diablo 3 that other people could see online an choose whether or not to join, any other random players you teamed up with were just randomly assigned to your game session.

Why would I want people randomly join my game? If I play with my brother I only want to play with my brother.


Also hosting a room in Diablo 2 is not Local Coop. It's MP. If you didn't want people to join your game you put a Password on it.
Never had this issue in Diablo 3 and I played with my brother A LOT.

Originally posted by 👁:

Because it's more fun to play with people in the same room, and sometimes I have people over.

And it sucks to have people over wanting to play games and the games be online only.

Oh you want Split screen coop. I doubt the game is going to offer that on PC.
But if the two of you have a PC/Laptop you can easily play together.

Your friends can force join into your game if you allow it too.

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Originally posted by Zefar:

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You could do that in Diablo 2 though.

But you couldn't create a room with your brother in Diablo 3 that other people could see online an choose whether or not to join, any other random players you teamed up with were just randomly assigned to your game session.

Why would I want people randomly join my game?

In Diablo 2 you could form a session or join a session and you had control over it.

In Diablo 3 you couldn't, it was randomly assigned.

If you joined a map where everyone was just standing around in town afk while all the bosses were already dead, you could leave and try again and get placed in that exact same match again because you had no control over it.

Unless you just wanted to play online with a very specific person (and schedule your playing around them), playing Diablo 3 online was an inferior experience. People didn't join up and meet new players the way they used to, my Sorceress couldn't find a lot of Leet Swag and go handing it out to low levels like it was Xmas. Everything that made casual online play any fun was just gutted from the franchise.

So the only fun I ever had with it was playing with people in the same room.

Originally posted by Zefar:

If I play with my brother I only want to play with my brother.

What if you're brothers in the same room with you?

Suddenly you can't play the game with him anymore, unless he just happens to have it on a separate device he can carry with him.

Originally posted by Zefar:

Also hosting a room in Diablo 2 is not Local Coop. It's MP.

Right, it was a superior way to do online multiplayer.

My point is that not only does the PC version lack Local Co-Op, the Online play has gotten worse since Diablo 2.

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What gets me is that Diablo 4 apparently has Local Co-Op on the console version they just won't let PC customers have it, which is dumb and arbitrary it makes the PC version worse.

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I also don't buy the story that it was the customer that decided to kill Local Co-Op, I mean River City Girls is a big hit, Stardew Valley added it, Streets of Rogue has it, Kingdoms Two Crowns has it, there are indie games carried by it.

I think it's the corpos, the corpos decided to kill features they didn't want to support. They'd rather force you and each of your friends to buy separate copies of the game than let you all sit around the television together. If Diablo 4 had local co-op on PC maybe you wouldn't buy 4 separate copies to play with your friends.

[Zefar]

Originally posted by ()_T_N_T_)----*:

Local Cop-Op, PVP, AKA Local Area Network (LAN) is something these young sheep will never understand let alone experience, because that type of gaming studio is dead. The game studios now never want that feature in video games to return because it means less $$$.

I know what it is and I have experienced back in the days. These days most people have reliable enough internet that local coop isn't needed if the place has a good internet connection it's going to be the same.

Originally posted by 👁:

This is why physical media needs to make a comeback and digital media or "live service games" (♥♥♥♥♥♥♥♥♥: term for we don't let you tinker) that way people have access to files again so they can mod a game like old days.

Physical media is never going to come back. Very few wants to store hundreds of DVDs that can only hold 4.7 GB of information. Blueray can hold up to 50 GB so that would still at minimum 2 Bluerays per most modern games.
Along with having the hardware to read them.

People can still mod games and plenty of games are being modded. Just because it's digital doesn't mean they can't mod games.
The problem is that modding a game takes far more time today because of all the knowledge you need to have in order to do it.

Originally posted by 👁:

I think it's the corpos, the corpos decided to kill features they didn't want to support. They'd rather force you and each of your friends to buy separate copies of the game than let you all sit around the television together. If Diablo 4 had local co-op on PC maybe you wouldn't buy 4 separate copies to play with your friends.

PC players generally do not do that anymore. They have good enough PCs and play together through the MP part.
Otherwise you'd need 3 extra chairs and 3 extra gamepads.

There just isn't much of a demand for that feature.

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Originally posted by Zefar:

Originally posted by ()_T_N_T_)----*:

PC players generally do not do that anymore. They have good enough PCs and play together through the MP part.

Bro millions of people are using their old PC's as living room consoles.

Originally posted by Zefar:

Otherwise you'd need 3 extra chairs and 3 extra gamepads.

Or just a couch, and it's not hard to plug new USB controller into a PC.

Originally posted by Zefar:

There just isn't much of a demand for that feature.

There is enough demand that it comes up a lot in the forums of games that feel like they should have local co-op, and there are whole websites dedicated to PC-Couch Co-Op, and there party games on Steam sold specifically for their Local Multiplayer. It was even added to Portal 2.

There are also popular Local Multiplayer mods for a lot of games like Unreal Tournament 3 and Left 4 Dead 2.

And it's a common enough feature in Indie Games, it's got enough demand for it that it's removal from a franchise can be a deal breaker to a lot of people sparking massive threads about it, and it gets added to games that don't have it like Stardew Valley and Vampire Survivor by popular demand.

Don't think that just because you wouldn't use it means other people don't want it, a lot of people have friends and relatives at their place that they'd like to play with.

It's the Triple A corpos that decided we shouldn't have it. And their reasoning is probably something asinine like seeing every copy played in local multiplayer as a lost sale or something

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Frankly there's also just no good reason a game that has Local Co-Op on console shouldn't also have it on PC

It's companies being trash when it happens.