Chumbucket and the Ending (Spoilers)

[Rys]

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Max flat out killed (or at least let him die) kinda threw me back. I mean, I understand that he really really wanted to kill Scrotus, but at the same time wasnt Chum the only being that was close to being Maxs friend throughout the entire game?

Also, what was even more weird was seeing the Magnum Opus and Chum during the Free Roam segment of the game. Err, Im just gonna assume that this is a gameplay mechanic and that both Chum and the MO have been destroyed. I mean, come on, MO rolled down the cliff and Chum burned to death. So what really, in terms of the story happened with Chum and the MO?

All in all a good story (even though its almost non-existent). I loved the thing with Glory and Hope and really wished for them to be more in the game.

[Potato Bake]

Publicado originalmente por MadMax665:

You realize that spoiler tags don't work when you hover over the thread in the thread list, right? :B1:

And in answer to your thread. Max states very clearly that he uses all those people as means to an end. Even Chum and the Magnus Opus are just means to an end. Kill Scrotus and cross the Plains of Silence. End of story.

Yeah but why throw the car away (drive it off a cliff), When Max drove it off a cliff he didn't know the Intercepter was still around. He uses people to get what he wanted and that was a car yet he destroyed it

[Singular_Foe]

The way Chumbucket die ruin the ending for me.

[Rodso]

ending is meh but its also very mad max in my opinion note its genneral exptcted that the freeroam post game is all in maxs mind

[SAINT]

To be honest the ending crushed me. Chum was my favorite character and I think he did not deserve the death he got. Chum really doesent have much in the world aside from the car, his actions were understandable. I think it would have been more satisfying if it would have gone a little something like this:

Max is going to ram the Mangnem Opus into the Land Mover and Chum jumps onto the hood. However Max convinces him that it was the true purpose of the Mangnem Opus was to rid this land of Scrotus and avenge the death of Hope/Glory. Believing that it is the will of the angel chum gets off. Max sends the torpeido into the Land Mover and the interceptor pops out and Max kills Scrotus. Then perhaps Chum rebuilds the Opus around the V8 of the interceptor and says that it is a kind of phonix, resin from the ashes of the Angel. Then they go on their way with a V8 and a living Chumbucket. Hoorah!

[Marv Guy]

The point of Max, in all his incarnations, is to keep moving, keep wandering, don't look back. He doesn't have time to make friends.

[Robbie738]

Publicado originalmente por sdawg787:

Max gave Chum plenty, plenty of time to get off the hood. Max doesn't stick his head out for no one, unless it benefits him, or hes made a deal. The world is rough, and its a survive or die world. And for the end of the game, yea chum died, magnum opus died, and its just a way for you to play the rest of the game and finish side missions.

I agree.chumbucket had plenty of time to jump off. Max didn't kill Chum. Chum's insanity killed him.

[Sleep, Eat, Play, Repeat]

Publicado originalmente por Robbie Hall:

I agree.chumbucket had plenty of time to jump off. Max didn't kill Chum. Chum's insanity killed him.

Actually, you DID kill him. More than that, you did the same thing the world did to Max — destroyed everything he loved.
It's clear from the beginning that he is very fond of his car. Then, later in the game he tells you — the only reason why he is still alive after being thrown out (as tortured and broken cripple) is The Plan. The Plan of the Angel, the Magnum Opus.

Later, when you go after Glory, you tell Chum about the need of two big fuel tanks in the back. And what on earth Max says to him? Nothing. He could just mention the second seat, but no, Max gonna be Max. And then you just went straight in the buzzard nest. There are two conclusions for obsessed mechanic to be made, none of them are bright:
1)Saint just went full fumehead.
2)Saint was just another hammer in the hands of Cruel Wasteland, aiming to destroy his world once more.

Then, when Max goes after Scrotus, Chumbucket still manning the thunderpoon. I'd love to see what Max would do without him, bleed on Scrotus?
Then, when Land Mower is struck, obviously going nowhere (Good luck getting her off the cliff without quite some cranes, good luck refueling that beast in the middle of nowhere, good luck patching it up with little to no crew left, good luck surviving with any Roadkill scum/Buzzard looking for a piece. Oh, and don't forget that Scrotus IS on life support), he decides "Let's destroy my only hope to get out of here for a cute Holywood stunt". It sounds going ape s♥♥t even to those without being obsessed with Magnum Opus.
And then, when one of very few mechanics available states that he'd rather die than live without MO (The only hope of continuing journey), Max just pushes pedal to the metal, literally dooming his own dream of finding the end to the road. All of it in vain because of Jack-in-the-box-Interceptor (Which doesn't die after being thunderstruck. Twice. And doesn't even take some heavy mainternance after this).
Coming to think of it, Land Mower going off the cliff with MO and Chumbucket would make for a way better ending. With logical conclusion of voices in Max head telling him that journey is actually over, with last step left (aka deepthroating the iconic shotgun).

[Beez Neez]

I feel like Chumbuckets sacrifice was pointless. You can't tell me a thunderpoon wouldnt have pushed it over the edge

[Robbie738]

Publicado originalmente por MLGЛунный Сахар:

Publicado originalmente por Robbie Hall:

I agree.chumbucket had plenty of time to jump off. Max didn't kill Chum. Chum's insanity killed him.

Actually, you DID kill him. More than that, you did the same thing the world did to Max — destroyed everything he loved.
It's clear from the beginning that he is very fond of his car. Then, later in the game he tells you — the only reason why he is still alive after being thrown out (as tortured and broken cripple) is The Plan. The Plan of the Angel, the Magnum Opus.

Later, when you go after Glory, you tell Chum about the need of two big fuel tanks in the back. And what on earth Max says to him? Nothing. He could just mention the second seat, but no, Max gonna be Max. And then you just went straight in the buzzard nest. There are two conclusions for obsessed mechanic to be made, none of them are bright:
1)Saint just went full fumehead.
2)Saint was just another hammer in the hands of Cruel Wasteland, aiming to destroy his world once more.

Well I am afraid that with that attitude you would not survive the Wastleland. "The Wasteland is no place for a conscience".

[1938superman]

I'm only playing this game now. I haven't finished, but I don't care about spoilers. So I watched a gameplay video of the final fight. I didn't think it was a very good ending, but maybe that was the point. Maybe at the end, we're supposed to feel like Max. Disillusioned and distraught. Still, this is supposed to build off of Fury Road. That story ended with hope. Bloody and hard-fought hope, but still hope. I think the ending could have been better.

1.) Chumbucket didn't have to die.

2.) If he did die, there are better ways it could have happened.

He could have died defending the Magnum Opus. He could have died in a moment of uncharacteristic bravery, showing growth as a character.

The way I would have written it would have just been to change it in a very simple way that I think would have been much more satisfying.

Chum is on the hood, pleading. Max hasn't started driving yet. Then the ground starts to collapse under Scrotus's vehicle and it starts going over. Scrotus shoots out the back in the Interceptor, the same as he actually does in the game. Max and Chum see it and have an "oh ♥♥♥♥" moment. Now they have to fight, and in a Magnum Opus that is severely damaged. They both need to survive. Chum wants to protect the Magnum Opus and Max wants to kill Scrotus. This way we also get a Magnum Opus vs. Interceptor fight. Which would be really cool. Max and Chum win, barely. They are both torn up and the Magnum Opus is wrecked. Chum is distraught that the car is destroyed. Max tells him he thinks he can fix it. Chum starts thinking out loud about how he might be able to do this or that to fix it. He turns back to Max to ask who will drive it. Max is already driving away in the Interceptor. End of game.

It offers just a little bit of hope after the blood and tragedy. I think the biggest problem with Chum's death was that it didn't accomplish anything and it showed a level of callousness on Max's part that is out of character. Especially given this whole vision quest thing in the game, where Max is exploring the small piece of humanity he has left. It just didn't seem to fit.

[FALLENV3GAS]

Publicado originalmente por 1938superman:

I'm only playing this game now. I haven't finished, but I don't care about spoilers. So I watched a gameplay video of the final fight. I didn't think it was a very good ending, but maybe that was the point. Maybe at the end, we're supposed to feel like Max. Disillusioned and distraught. Still, this is supposed to build off of Fury Road. That story ended with hope. Bloody and hard-fought hope, but still hope. I think the ending could have been better.

1.) Chumbucket didn't have to die.

2.) If he did die, there are better ways it could have happened.

He could have died defending the Magnum Opus. He could have died in a moment of uncharacteristic bravery, showing growth as a character.

The way I would have written it would have just been to change it in a very simple way that I think would have been much more satisfying.

Chum is on the hood, pleading. Max hasn't started driving yet. Then the ground starts to collapse under Scrotus's vehicle and it starts going over. Scrotus shoots out the back in the Interceptor, the same as he actually does in the game. Max and Chum see it and have an "oh ♥♥♥♥" moment. Now they have to fight, and in a Magnum Opus that is severely damaged. They both need to survive. Chum wants to protect the Magnum Opus and Max wants to kill Scrotus. This way we also get a Magnum Opus vs. Interceptor fight. Which would be really cool. Max and Chum win, barely. They are both torn up and the Magnum Opus is wrecked. Chum is distraught that the car is destroyed. Max tells him he thinks he can fix it. Chum starts thinking out loud about how he might be able to do this or that to fix it. He turns back to Max to ask who will drive it. Max is already driving away in the Interceptor. End of game.

It offers just a little bit of hope after the blood and tragedy. I think the biggest problem with Chum's death was that it didn't accomplish anything and it showed a level of callousness on Max's part that is out of character. Especially given this whole vision quest thing in the game, where Max is exploring the small piece of humanity he has left. It just didn't seem to fit.

The whole point of Max, in my eyes, is his actions arent logical, rushed and generall unfavourable. Hes a man who has lost everything. He lost his humanity. He feels guilt but does not dabble on it. He simply drives to one day seeking peace or die trying. The ending is terrible for us. But for him it fits.

[1938superman]

Publicado originalmente por Guy Eating Vaseline...:

Publicado originalmente por 1938superman:

I'm only playing this game now. I haven't finished, but I don't care about spoilers. So I watched a gameplay video of the final fight. I didn't think it was a very good ending, but maybe that was the point. Maybe at the end, we're supposed to feel like Max. Disillusioned and distraught. Still, this is supposed to build off of Fury Road. That story ended with hope. Bloody and hard-fought hope, but still hope. I think the ending could have been better.

1.) Chumbucket didn't have to die.

2.) If he did die, there are better ways it could have happened.

He could have died defending the Magnum Opus. He could have died in a moment of uncharacteristic bravery, showing growth as a character.

The way I would have written it would have just been to change it in a very simple way that I think would have been much more satisfying.

Chum is on the hood, pleading. Max hasn't started driving yet. Then the ground starts to collapse under Scrotus's vehicle and it starts going over. Scrotus shoots out the back in the Interceptor, the same as he actually does in the game. Max and Chum see it and have an "oh ♥♥♥♥" moment. Now they have to fight, and in a Magnum Opus that is severely damaged. They both need to survive. Chum wants to protect the Magnum Opus and Max wants to kill Scrotus. This way we also get a Magnum Opus vs. Interceptor fight. Which would be really cool. Max and Chum win, barely. They are both torn up and the Magnum Opus is wrecked. Chum is distraught that the car is destroyed. Max tells him he thinks he can fix it. Chum starts thinking out loud about how he might be able to do this or that to fix it. He turns back to Max to ask who will drive it. Max is already driving away in the Interceptor. End of game.

It offers just a little bit of hope after the blood and tragedy. I think the biggest problem with Chum's death was that it didn't accomplish anything and it showed a level of callousness on Max's part that is out of character. Especially given this whole vision quest thing in the game, where Max is exploring the small piece of humanity he has left. It just didn't seem to fit.

The whole point of Max, in my eyes, is his actions arent logical, rushed and generall unfavourable. Hes a man who has lost everything. He lost his humanity. He feels guilt but does not dabble on it. He simply drives to one day seeking peace or die trying. The ending is terrible for us. But for him it fits.

I've played further now. You're right.

[=DTM=Samurai]

Publicado originalmente por Hawky:

I dunno. I like the first max for what it is an introduction to Max and the development of his character. First he loses Goose (who doesnt die, is just badly burned), then his son (I dont like how they retconned it to a daughter, just why?) and finally his wife (who, again, doesnt die but is badly injured) - and after losing his son to Toecutter/Joe he just drives off to the Outback.

I liked the sudden change in the character - the cowardice and how he felt he didnt owe anything to either the injured best friend (Goose) or his wife. Who both needed him in the worst crisis of their lives and he just ran away.

Again, in Road Warrior - Max starts as a heartless character but when push comes to shove, he does the right thing. Drives the tanker and helps Papagello even though he basically screwed Max by not telling him that the tanker was empty. The biggest contrast was in Thunderdome (which in my opinion is garbage) with the desert kids and Captain "Volker", but again, Max eventually does the right thing.

Here? He speaks about being a heartless douchebag and in the end he is a heartless douchebag. Thats what I meant when I said I was taken aback by the ending.

First movie - good guy turned coward
Road Warrior - machiavellian douchebag turned antihero
Thunderdome - Antihero with a heart of gold

As for Fury Road, I dont know, I like that movie but somehow Tom Hardy did not convince me that hes Rockatansky - I much more like the theory that he is the Feral Kid from Road Warrior.

Few things to set straight:
1) Feral Kid is the narrator of Road Warrior, where he follows up the flying genius as leader of the North Great Tribe.
2) Both his wife and Goose "live", but not really.
Both, as far as I understood, are nothing more than vegetables, this was even said, in some wording, about the wife.
As for Goose, seeing how badly he was injured, well... he could be extremely dead, but just not know it yet, heh.

As for Hardy: no man ever can be a just Mad Max character, this was a role written on the body of, well, "Max" (Mel Gibson).

[Alucard †]

I love how this game pulls Far Cry 3 on us after ending
Chum bucket and Opus are fine like nothing happened xD

Eh too bad you cant reset camps and stuff like you can with outposts in Far Cry 3

[Lorenzo_BR]

Publicado originalmente por ⎛ Alucard ⎞ †:

I love how this game pulls Far Cry 3 on us after ending
Chum bucket and Opus are fine like nothing happened xD

Eh too bad you cant reset camps and stuff like you can with outposts in Far Cry 3

I'd love for a post game free roam mode with the Interceptor has the main car, with it not despawning, being marked on the map, etc, and maybe even having a Harpoon that can only be operated while stoped (sorta like a winch) to allow you to do the same things camps, scarecrows and scavanging locations wise.