Chumbucket and the Ending (Spoilers)

[Rys]

Well, I just about finished the game and I gotta say, the way that Spoilers, Spoilers, Spoilers, Spoilers, Spoilers, Spoilers, Spoilers, Spoilers, Spoilers, Spoilers, Spoilers, Spoilers, Spoilers, Spoilers, Spoilers, Spoilers, Spoilers, Spoilers, Spoilers, Spoilers, Spoilers, Spoilers








Max flat out killed (or at least let him die) kinda threw me back. I mean, I understand that he really really wanted to kill Scrotus, but at the same time wasnt Chum the only being that was close to being Maxs friend throughout the entire game?

Also, what was even more weird was seeing the Magnum Opus and Chum during the Free Roam segment of the game. Err, Im just gonna assume that this is a gameplay mechanic and that both Chum and the MO have been destroyed. I mean, come on, MO rolled down the cliff and Chum burned to death. So what really, in terms of the story happened with Chum and the MO?

All in all a good story (even though its almost non-existent). I loved the thing with Glory and Hope and really wished for them to be more in the game.

[MadMax665]

You realize that spoiler tags don't work when you hover over the thread in the thread list, right?

And in answer to your thread. Max states very clearly that he uses all those people as means to an end. Even Chum and the Magnus Opus are just means to an end. Kill Scrotus and cross the Plains of Silence. End of story.

[Rys]

Crap, didnt realize that :/ did not want to spoil anything. Is there a way to hide it?

Yeah, I guess so. So everything post ending then is basically just here you go, finish whatever you were doing, all done? So he is dead then? I mean, the first thing he says after the credits stop and youre back in game is that he fixed up MO and is ready to roll. My reaction was basically, get out here, how did you survive?

[leberschnitzel]

I just finished too, and I have the feeling that you can decide at that point and just not kill him? But I did too, so I can't tell.

[Monéo Atréides]

At the end, main characters are back, even Hope, the after end-game is like Witcher 3, it's like nothing happened

[Nemisiscw]

Chum got Hope and Glory killed, and then valued the car over stopping Scrotus's reign of terror.

[sdawg787]

Max gave Chum plenty, plenty of time to get off the hood. Max doesn't stick his head out for no one, unless it benefits him, or hes made a deal. The world is rough, and its a survive or die world. And for the end of the game, yea chum died, magnum opus died, and its just a way for you to play the rest of the game and finish side missions.

[Leah Ackermann]

This is mad max not disney land. The man lost everything and got betrayed over and over again... even Chum tryed to betray him, although he apologized he was essentially the reason why mad lost everything again. Thats why he says in the end "i shouldn't trust anyone anytime, ever!"

The (new) car almost (due to chums betrayal)
Hope and Glory (because he told scrotum where they are under torture)
And chum himself. If Scrotums horde didnt follow him to the sanctuary who knows what he might have done with the car. Chum decided the car is more important than Max.

Chum is just an image of Max. Mad would do ANYTHING for revenge. And chum would do anything for his sacred car. When the two worlds collide the stronger (max) wins.

You'll notice that Max gains in the end his old car back so he ends up where he started when the story took off in the game. Max was never attached to the car per se, it was just a means to an end. He wanted his peace, and neither hope, glory, chum nor scrotum let him be. And they all died directly or indirectly to it. Max does not stop for anyone anymore. He lost to much... he's not a bad person, but he's dead inside. Like many other in that world. And he has given up himself, for good. Chumbuckets betrayal is in a way therefore worse than what Max did to him in the end, he gave him a choice afterall. Chum Killed Max first, then max killed chum.

To understand the character itself you should watch the intro of Mad Max 2 - Road Warrior.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9n29c-q3_8Q

The new movie is garbage from a story perspective.. but the sequel had a kickass intro that summarizes eveything and the movie is clearly where the dev's took ALOT of inspiration from. When you finish the game you get maxes black leather jacket. You have a car that almost looks the same... etc. etc.

Thats why this game rocks, it followed the 2nd movie, not the new one that was essentially just a glorified carchase for 2 hours.

[Rys]

I dunno. I like the first max for what it is an introduction to Max and the development of his character. First he loses Goose (who doesnt die, is just badly burned), then his son (I dont like how they retconned it to a daughter, just why?) and finally his wife (who, again, doesnt die but is badly injured) - and after losing his son to Toecutter/Joe he just drives off to the Outback.

I liked the sudden change in the character - the cowardice and how he felt he didnt owe anything to either the injured best friend (Goose) or his wife. Who both needed him in the worst crisis of their lives and he just ran away.

Again, in Road Warrior - Max starts as a heartless character but when push comes to shove, he does the right thing. Drives the tanker and helps Papagello even though he basically screwed Max by not telling him that the tanker was empty. The biggest contrast was in Thunderdome (which in my opinion is garbage) with the desert kids and Captain "Volker", but again, Max eventually does the right thing.

Here? He speaks about being a heartless douchebag and in the end he is a heartless douchebag. Thats what I meant when I said I was taken aback by the ending.

First movie - good guy turned coward
Road Warrior - machiavellian douchebag turned antihero
Thunderdome - Antihero with a heart of gold

As for Fury Road, I dont know, I like that movie but somehow Tom Hardy did not convince me that hes Rockatansky - I much more like the theory that he is the Feral Kid from Road Warrior.

[Leah Ackermann]

Originally posted by Hawky:

I dunno. I like the first max for what it is an introduction to Max and the development of his character. First he loses Goose (who doesnt die, is just badly burned), then his son (I dont like how they retconned it to a daughter, just why?) and finally his wife (who, again, doesnt die but is badly injured) - and after losing his son to Toecutter/Joe he just drives off to the Outback.

I liked the sudden change in the character - the cowardice and how he felt he didnt owe anything to either the injured best friend (Goose) or his wife. Who both needed him in the worst crisis of their lives and he just ran away.

Again, in Road Warrior - Max starts as a heartless character but when push comes to shove, he does the right thing. Drives the tanker and helps Papagello even though he basically screwed Max by not telling him that the tanker was empty. The biggest contrast was in Thunderdome (which in my opinion is garbage) with the desert kids and Captain "Volker", but again, Max eventually does the right thing.

Here? He speaks about being a heartless douchebag and in the end he is a heartless douchebag. Thats what I meant when I said I was taken aback by the ending.

First movie - good guy turned coward
Road Warrior - machiavellian douchebag turned antihero
Thunderdome - Antihero with a heart of gold

As for Fury Road, I dont know, I like that movie but somehow Tom Hardy did not convince me that hes Rockatansky - I much more like the theory that he is the Feral Kid from Road Warrior.

Funny tidbit, did you know that they originally planned to have the wounded goose as the villain in the mask in Road Warrior ?

(i just choose to ignore thunderdome)

Also might be a machavellian ♥♥♥♥♥♥♥ but he DOES trust chum (even after his betrayal) AND he turned around to help Hope although he didn't promise them anything, so as soon as he does the "right" thing it seems that he's being punished again and is taken aback. He never did the wrong or evil thing to hurt people, except maybe drive over chum but he also left him his choice when it came to it. In a sea of one dimensional hollywood characters i understand and like the max they created here.

[Sir Latore]

not going to argu in the subject of Max's mentality but since it was a video game and i was role playing max the Devs atleast should had left the fate of Chum in my hand, since he was a prime company with his Car.

[Kain]

Yeah, the Max on this game is a far cry from the Max we know and love from the movies, he's a generic jerk that thinks his pain is bigger than anyone else's.

On the movies it was kind of like that, but Max had charisma and was overall a nice guy most of the time not killing those he bested and letting them go if they're not a threat, he was not above smiling and sometimes cracking a few jokes of his own. And when he started to behave like a jerk pretending he was more hurt than everyone else the characters of the movie would point it out on his face in which he would at least acknowledge it and either punch the guy or just be sad in a corner.

He also never truly betrayed anyone, the Max that refused to kill Blaster because he was a dimwit wouldn't flat out murder Chum because he was 'angry'. This game creates a nice world with cool visuals, but the resemblance and charm of the movies is just passable, made by people that either do not understand the source material or simply doesn't care. It's a fun game, it's not a Mad Max game though.

Max in this game is just a grunt, simple as that, they want to make his actions justifiable due to how he suffered, but he just comes out looking like a random thug. They tried to hard to make it all look so grim dark, so sad and desolate and they sucked out all the fun of the universe.

[Syntax Error]

Originally posted by MadMax665:

Max states very clearly that he uses all those people as means to an end. Even Chum and the Magnus Opus are just means to an end. Kill Scrotus and cross the Plains of Silence. End of story.

Still doesn't really make sense. Max had no idea that the Interceptor would be in the big truck so what was his plan to cross the Plains of Silence after killing Scrotus via Magnum Opus torpedo? Walk?

Max's original goal wasn't even to kill Scrotus -- he just wanted a car with a V8 to cross the Plains of Silence with. He had that with the Magnum Opus and illogically decides to destroy it when anyone could come up with better options.

I mean, the ending is what it is and I liked the game... but the ending was hella weak.

Speaking of, why did Scrotus's guys saw apart the Interceptor just to weld it back together again? Practice? It's not like they had no other way of moving/repairing it.

[b0yka]

Originally posted by MadMax665:

And in answer to your thread. Max states very clearly that he uses all those people as means to an end. Even Chum and the Magnus Opus are just means to an end. Kill Scrotus and cross the Plains of Silence. End of story.

And how can he cross the Plains of Silence if he destroys the only car that has a V8 on it and the best mechanic?Everyone knew that the interceptor was destroyed,that's why he team up with chum and got the MO.If he wanted to use all of those people why did he fell in love with Hope and Glory?And he didn't want to kill Scrotus,he just wanted a V8 and a car to carry on his journey,story was rushed you can notice it if you look in the Dump,no convoys,no camps,project parts are found in the scavanging locations,you need 1 part per project to build them,Stank Gums partol cars are not collectible...

[darion350]

Yeah, it didn't make sense to me that he destroyed the Magnum Opus and Chum at the end. He stated earlier that he was going to install fuel tanks in the back where Chum stood, which is why Chum thought Max was going to leave him in the first place.. So it made no sense to ram the Magnum into the Mover when he didn't know his Interceptor was still in one piece. They should have skipped that part and instead had Scrotus come out of the Mover with Max's Interceptor and have a faceoff between Max and the MO, and Scrotus and the Interceptor. It would have made it more satisfying to get the Interceptor back at the end (you pry it from Scrotus' dead fingers) and you could just leave Chum with the MO.

[Fabiolus]

I cried...poor little rascal.